The AOU states on their website that they are focusing only on bird names in the U.S. and Canada right now, and do not have a plan to change Latin American bird names without the involvement of Latin American ornithologists and organizations.
Diana Beatty El Paso County On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 1:07 PM Rachel Hopper <[email protected]> wrote: > So we change the name of Swainson’s Warbler. > > > Wintering Swainson’s Warblers are in the Caribbean and southern Mexico and > also central Jamaica. > > > How are we not imposing our values on other countries where these birds > are all addressed by their ENGLISH common names? > > > And to quote Jon Dunn: “The AOS will do outreach to individuals and > organizations in Latin America to see how they feel about the changing of > the English names and how to go about it. What happens if they say "no > thank you?" Many of those species that are of rare to accidental occurrence > have well-established English names. What right do we have to change those > names? Forcing new English names seems like more examples of "American > Imperialism," the very thing that the movement to replace English names > decries against ("colonialism").” > > > Swainson’s Warbler does not “belong” to us here in the U.S. nor does it > “belong” to the AOS. What right does any governing body in the U.S. have to > change the name of a bird that spends three-quarters of its life in mostly > non-English speaking countries? How is this not imposing our “western > baggage” on other parts of the world? > > > The whole point of the article is the very idea that we can force this > change on other countries smacks of the new colonialism. > > > Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > Follow me on iNaturalist <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/2339591> > rkhphotography.net <https://www.rkhphotography.net/> > [email protected] > Ft. Collins, CO > > --------------------------------- > > On Dec 8, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Diana Beatty <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is an interesting article. It does not address the AOU decision per > se, but instead is addressing some published works of scientists around the > interest of species name revisions, which could include lots of different > ideas about how and where those are happening, for what reasons, and > whether they involve common names or also scientific. > > The geographic range of AOU is limited and the scope of discussion is not > controlling how other organizations and parts of the world adopt or alter > naming conventions. Further, the scope of renaming by AOU does not > currently involve scientific names but only common. Bird name changes > happen regularly, and the article does say there is a "duty to remove > obviously hurtful and discriminatory words from the scientific lexicon". > > The logic of the AOU approach is that we do waste our time if we spend it > all arguing over what exactly qualifies and what doesn't, and it is one of > the points of the article that their method seems to attempt to address by > adopting a simple rule in its own practice. > > I prefer to discuss what is actually being done vs. the hypotheticals of > a larger or more encompassing act that is beyond the will, scope, or intent > of an AOU decision. I agree with the author that the "West" should not be > imposing its baggage all over the world, but I don't think that what the > article is opposing is necessarily inclusive of the AOU decision due to its > much more limited range and scope and reasoned approach. > > Diana Beatty > El Paso County > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 9:26 AM Rachel Kolokoff Hopper < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> And I would answer in rebuttal that anyone wanting to be fully informed >> on this topic should read “Policing the scientific lexicon: The new >> colonialism?” by Rohan Pethiyagoda (Sri Lanka) which can be found here: >> https://tinyurl.com/5u45569r >> >> A partial quote: “Here, writing from the perspective of a scientist who >> has spent most of his career working in Sri Lanka, a biodiverse developing >> country, I contend that undoing the perceived harm that inappropriate names >> and terms can cause people who belong to oppressed communities in the >> developed world (the West) may harm the greater part of the global >> scientific community whose native language is not English. >> >> Cheng et al. (2023) seek to redress social problems in the >> English-speaking world (henceforth, the Anglosphere) and especially North >> America, by imposing terminological and nomenclatural reforms also on the >> rest of the world. These reforms would carry the unintended consequence of >> compelling taxonomists in biodiverse countries—especially developing >> countries—to direct their attention away from the enormous task of >> describing Earth’s vanishing biodiversity in order to deal with the >> challenge of revising biological nomenclature and terminology to address >> issues that have little meaning outside the Anglosphere—particularly the US >> context. I contend that the US would do better to solve its social and >> political problems rather than renaming them, and especially, rather than >> exporting them.“ >> >> Please read the entire paper. Very Illuminating. >> >> R. >> ----------------------- >> Rachel Kolokoff Hopper >> Follow me on iNaturalist <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/2339591> >> rkhphotography.net <https://www.rkhphotography.net/> >> [email protected] >> Ft. Collins, CO >> >> On Dec 7, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Diana Beatty <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Jared Del Rosso published a good addition to this discussion on The >> Conversation: — >> https://theconversation.com/why-dozens-of-north-american-bird-species-are-getting-new-names-every-name-tells-a-story-217886 >> >> An interesting point he made: "all eponymous names imply human >> ownership over birds....Science has greatly expanded human understanding >> of birds in recent decades. We now recognize that birds are intelligent >> <https://theconversation.com/are-crows-really-that-clever-212914>, with >> rich emotional lives >> <https://theconversation.com/laughs-cries-and-deception-birds-emotional-lives-are-just-as-complicated-as-ours-69471>. >> Radar, lightweight transmitters and satellite telemetry have helped >> scientists map the transcontinental migrations >> <https://theconversation.com/birds-migrate-along-ancient-routes-here-are-the-latest-high-tech-tools-scientists-are-using-to-study-their-amazing-journeys-187967> >> that many bird species make each year. >> >> Trading eponymous names, which treat birds as passive objects, for richer >> descriptive names reflects this sea change in our understanding of avian >> lives." >> >> >> Diana Beatty >> >> El Paso County >> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:02 AM Greg Osland <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks to Don Jones for sharing a link from Kenn Kaufman that summarizes >>> some of Kenn's recent research on eponymous names and the history of >>> ornithology. The report provides objective historical facts that most >>> birders, like me, never realized. Each of us can draw our own conclusions >>> from his findings about the historical value of eponymous names and whether >>> they should be retained for historical reasons. Here is one of his >>> findings: >>> >>> From the 1820s to the early 1840s in North America, John James Audubon >>> was handing out eponyms like candy. At first he was trying to court favor >>> with British naturalists (like Bewick, Henslow, or Swainson) or with >>> wealthy individuals who might support his work. Later he used names to >>> honor various friends and colleagues (like Harris, Sprague, or Bell). >>> >>> >>> http://www.kaufmanfieldguides.com/kenn-on-the-issues/eponymous-bird-names-and-the-history-of-ornithology?fbclid=IwAR32lesbSDgzt0MiBEG4bGBoBBnWEPPcisGmEW9z-aWljHFrMbOi08lwxaU >>> >>> Greg Osland >>> Larimer County >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/cobirds?hl=en?hl=en >>> * All posts should be signed with the poster's full name and city. >>> Include bird species and location in the subject line when appropriate >>> * Join Colorado Field Ornithologists https://cobirds.org/CFO/Membership/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CA%2BYKL92Vdh1MCMEOiao%2BEAXm-iLSMiJLzVAKX58kpoDJmNW9Gg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CA%2BYKL92Vdh1MCMEOiao%2BEAXm-iLSMiJLzVAKX58kpoDJmNW9Gg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ****** >> >> “I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” >> said *Gandalf*, “and so do all who live to see such times. 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