> On Oct 14, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Carl Hoefs via Cocoa-dev 
> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
> 
> The group that likes Obj-C sees Swift as being "arbitrarily syntactical" with 
> the syntax of the language getting in the way of programming. (There is a 
> third group that likes both languages, but it is very small.)

I am in this group.  The syntax of Swift just feels so arbitrary and to look 
deeper to solve more problems… if it weren’t for those compiler messages, it 
would be a mess.  I, for one shuddered when I saw “if let x = y” being 
something that people are expected to use and that damn, “you must unwrap this 
optional”, simply ends up making things that were simple in Objective-C, 
completely cumbersome in Swift.  

And this “everything is an extension”?  That is hell.  I love classes adopting 
protocols where the class definition of the variable must be weak, because you 
can’t do it in the protocol and oh, whar?  This proticol needs to be class 
backed?  

So much clunk to do what we could already do with ease.

But then again, my team is using VIPER and in none of the code reviews did the 
lead call in to question that every var was strong.  And they wonder why we had 
3410 memory leaks.

I’m not yet a fan.


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