NSProxy checking actually work, but throwing those classes that derive from 
Object class (note I used capitalised O here, the old Object class from early 
NeXT times, also used heavily in OS X kernel, GCD and Mach ports) into the mix 
means that no method can be sent before class is determined. I would suggest 
Apple add one runtime function class_isSubclassOfClass() that mirrors the 
functionality of NSObject and NSProxy method isSubclassOfClass so that 
derivatives of the old Object class can be detected more easily.

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 03:49, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that Apple's well-documented approach to see if an object is 
> derived from NSProxy does not work? If that's the case, you need to submit a 
> bug report to Apple. That's a serious issue that only Apple can help you with.
> 
> If you are using objects not derived from NSObject nor NSProxy, then change 
> your design.
> --
> Gary L. Wade (Sent from my iPad)
> http://www.garywade.com/
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote:
>> 
>> Ain’t work! Will crash if an Object derivative showed up.
>> 
>> I am scanning ALL loaded classes and only subclasses of a certain class is 
>> interested. But due to the nature of this class scanning before I can make 
>> sure that the class derives from NSObject I cannot call any method on it.
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 03:34, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If all you care about is if an object is a proxy or not, look at isProxy.
>>> --
>>> Gary L. Wade (Sent from my iPad)
>>> http://www.garywade.com/
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What I am doing here is scanning all loaded classes for subclasses of a 
>>>> certain class. Before any NSObject method can be issued I have to check if 
>>>> it is actually NSObject or NSProxy derivative instead of an Object 
>>>> derivative that does not support NSObject methods. This calls for runtime 
>>>> equivalent for one of the following NSObject methods:
>>>> 
>>>> - [NSObject respondsToSelector:(SEL)aSelector] = 
>>>> class_respondsToSelector(Class, SEL) // this crashed.
>>>> + [NSObject conformsToProtocol:(Protocol *)aProtocol] = 
>>>> class_conformsToProtocol(Class, Protocol *) // check for NSObject 
>>>> protocol, this does not work.
>>>> + [NSObject isSubclassOfClass:(Class)aClass] // no equivalent, have to 
>>>> implement it myself
>>>> 
>>>> I ended up creating this:
>>>> 
>>>> BOOL class_isSubclassOfClass(Class cls, Class other)
>>>> {
>>>> for (Class c = cls; c; c = class_getSuperclass(c))
>>>>     if (c == other)
>>>>         return YES;
>>>> return NO;
>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> If i remembered it right GNUstep runtime have this function. I will file a 
>>>> bug report to Apple and ask them to add this, as it is useful in class 
>>>> scanning and i am using this technique heavily in jailbreak detection.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 01:20, Kyle Sluder <k...@ksluder.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Phillip Mills wrote:
>>>>>> Why do you think the problem is with “respondsToSelector:”?  The error
>>>>>> says you’re accessing past the end of a string.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because the crash happens in a call stack that originates in
>>>>> class_respondsToSelector, and involves none of Maxthon's code.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Kyle Sluder
>> 

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