> On Mar 4, 2015, at 20:55, Graham Cox <graham....@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Just a general question I'm putting out there... > > Now that NSScrollView always hides its scrollbars even when > -setAutohidesScrollers: is NO if you have a trackpad, how does a user grab > the thumb to drag it using a mouse? > > You can't see the thumb unless the bar is visible, and if it's not visible > you can't click it. To make it visible you have to scroll which shows the > bars, but only for a short time (< 0.5 second). This means that your only > option is to use a scroll wheel or trackpad to make the bars show, then > quickly click onto the thumb before they disappear. It's really hard to do. > What if you generally prefer to use a mouse, even if there is a trackpad? > What if your view is such that skimming through it by dragging the thumb is > the most usable way to use it? What if the constant presence of the thumb on > a very wide (or tall) scroll view is actually a really, really useful piece > of information that would help the user even if they do have a trackpad? > > I can find no way to force my scrollers to stay visible unless I turn off the > trackpad altogether (which overall seems like a completely unrelated thing). > On a laptop it might be impossible to turn off the trackpad for all I know - > I'm using a desktop with a magic trackpad attached, but I also prefer to use > my laptop with an external mouse plugged in. There's no setting in System > Preferences/Trackpad for disabling just this auto-hiding feature of scrollers > which would solve it more elegantly. > > A case of missing the usability wood for the trees?
I'm not sure what you mean. I always set my machines to use the correct and useful setting in System Prefs and I see the scrollers all the time when the content is big enough to warrant them. Hiding the scrollbars was the worst decision in a long time, as you can no longer glance to see your position in a document/list/whatever. Steve via iPad _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
