On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ted Leung wrote: ..cut.. > >-> Organisationally xml and java are still lagging behind; > > but have been catching up (though the catch up has slowed down > > somewhat due to a much larger influx from the old school > > side; and that influx is by average younger than the proposed > > influx from xml and java (in terms of lines of code and/or years > > of activity on *MORE* than one project).
> In the case of XML, this stems partially from the manner in which the > project was formed. As was pointed out at ApacheCon this fall, both > Jakarta and XML were kind of experiments. This year a substantial > amount of effort has gone into trying to change the results of those > experiments -- namely the effort get projects to leave the umbrella and > become top-level projects. Note that for XML this happened in exactly > one case -- Coccoon. All the other projects in XML decided to either > stay in XML or move to ws.apache.org, another umbrella PMC structure. ..cut.. > I think that we have multiple subcultures under the ASF umbrella, due to > the way that the umbrella projects were formed. Whether you like that > or not, I think that is the reality. I know that I personally would And I think that is a healty thing. It makes us more resiliant and self supporting in a changing world. I certainly do not thing that 'enforcing' the patterns of 'httpd' are a good idea. Dw