I would like to distinguish between
"creating a webapp with minimal cocoon"
and
"creating a webapp with minimal functionality"
Although both issues adress similar points, i think,
the bignners should not be bothered with isolating
the jars they "really need" for their app just to get
an as small as possible webapplication at the end.
I am afraid the WikiPage
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp
would not be what a beginner wants to start with, before they
get something to see. In my eyes this may be "step 2". But to
be honest here, i never thought of stripping down cocoon
to its basics. i just keep it as is and use what i need.
One day i may find out, that a very particular peace of cocoon
would be exactly what i need, but unfortunately i dropped it
by stripping down cocoon earlier. Now i can try to find out,
what i have to put back into my webapp to get the new stuff
up and running hmm... not convinced.
I would rather focus on the minimal functionality,
thus a webapplication, that does something usefull,
but can be easily understood without need to know
too many details of full cocoon.
This i would consider as "step one"
In this sense ->
1.) create a minimal webapp with the distrib as is.
2.) optional strip down cocoon to its basics
would this find consense in the comunity ?
regards, hussayn
Geoff Howard wrote:
When trying to help a frustrated new user recently, I did something like
this for 2.0.4. I believe the clean-webapp Chris mentioned is only in
2.1dev? I assembled a minimal webapp that did only static xml and static
xsl, had no other samples, and had most of the unecessary (for a static
hello world) component definitions in sitemap.xmap commented out.
The process I used is documented at
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp
If that is of interest to anyone I could upload the war too, but it's 5meg
and I'm stuck till tomorrow with dial up access. It's also built for
jdk1.4.
Geoff
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From: SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: sample web-app too complex?
Hy, Michael, Bertrand;
I had the idea to create a simple webapp, that already is
complete in the sense that it does something "real". So the
user could simply take it, create some content, then fiddle
around with whatever (sitemap, stylesheets and so on) to see
the effects.
This webapp could be accompanied with a tutorial, that introduces
the different peaces of the webapp in detail.
A new user could either take the tutorial and create this webapp
from scratch, or just grab a zip, unpack it and start from there.
This webapp could find its place in the Wiki "building your
first webapp in one day"... In fact o thought of simply giving
away the infrastructure of my own website (about 5 files in total),
which is really simple enough, yet usefull and productive ...
Of course the webapp could already be included in the
cocoon distrib, but i have all people in mind, who want
to play with the current released versions and just get something
reasonable to work in no time ...
Any commetns on that ?
regards, hussayn
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi Michael,
I know that we probably have had this discussion before, but is there a
reason why we dont have simple "Hello-World" sample web-app along side
the current sample web-app? (or does there already exist an independent
"hello-world" web-app that Im not aware of?)
I agree, a minimal sample webapp, that can be studied independently of
the existing ones, would be useful.
Are you thinking about a CRUD (Create-Retrieve-Update-Delete) webapp
with database stuff, or something "read-only" where various formats are
published from a small set of simple XML files?
-Bertrand
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