> Thanks for the reply. I still, however, cant figure out how to get a
"hello world" working on a 
> clean war without all of the other crap in the cocoon war. 

Robert,

It seems you really have two requirements for Cocoon:

1) learning how to create a simple Cocoon app;

2) learning how to build a minimal Cocoon distribution that doesn't require
all the JARs for deployment in order that you can deploy Cocoon multiple
times without duplicating the libraries each time.

It's not clear why you want to combine these two steps?  We ran Cocoon here
for almost 8 months before we worried about getting a minimal Cocoon image
(when we finally cleaned things up we went from a 12MB EAR to a 5 MB EAR,
much of which is our own code).  In the mean time we wasted some disk space
but no development time...

You are right that Cocoon is not easy to pick up and use for deploying a
simple application.  That's not what it was designed for.  Cocoon is
designed for making it easy to manage complex data sets and/or complex web
based user interfaces.  If all you want is a simple front end then likely
you don't have a requirement to use Cocoon....


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