For what it's worth, I walked through the steps for building the minimal war he was looking for on Saturday, sent him the binary war (5 meg) and posted the steps on the wiki. He's already written a first custom generator that connects to his ejbs and seems much happier now. He's started to refer to cocoon as "we"! :) Some of that happened off list, so I thought it worth sending in a quick update.
I do agree, Peter that many people will not see a need right away to strip things out, but a great point that Robert made is that the flip side of keeping the expanse of possibilities visible to a new user is that it's quite difficult to figure out what's essential and what's not: especially for the ejb world where logic and data access are already well encapsulated. Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: Hunsberger, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:04 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Cocoon is complex, but worth it! Some Answers to your > dilemma > > > > Thanks for the reply. I still, however, cant figure out how to get a > "hello world" working on a > > clean war without all of the other crap in the cocoon war. > > Robert, > > It seems you really have two requirements for Cocoon: > > 1) learning how to create a simple Cocoon app; > > 2) learning how to build a minimal Cocoon distribution that > doesn't require > all the JARs for deployment in order that you can deploy Cocoon multiple > times without duplicating the libraries each time. > > It's not clear why you want to combine these two steps? We ran > Cocoon here > for almost 8 months before we worried about getting a minimal Cocoon image > (when we finally cleaned things up we went from a 12MB EAR to a 5 MB EAR, > much of which is our own code). In the mean time we wasted some > disk space > but no development time... > > You are right that Cocoon is not easy to pick up and use for deploying a > simple application. That's not what it was designed for. Cocoon is > designed for making it easy to manage complex data sets and/or complex web > based user interfaces. If all you want is a simple front end then likely > you don't have a requirement to use Cocoon.... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
