I have long held the following opinion on zoom control directives: Grrrrrr
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Haitz, Lisa (haitzlm) <hait...@ucmail.uc.edu> > wrote: > > In the case of the original question, with regard to > <http://langsdale.ubalt.edu> > This code is on the web site: > <meta name="viewport" > content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0, > maximum-scale=1.0"/> > > > In my experience, I thought having the max-scale value would affect > accessibility, by breaking the zoom function.?? > > http://a11yproject.com/posts/never-use-maximum-scale/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary > Gordon > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:11 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Don't Change Your Site Because of Reference > Librarians RE: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question > > This is less a matter of site behavior that it is an issue with how the zoom > feature works. I agree that zoom should work as you describe, but it won’t > work that way if the browser is sending the wrong message regarding the > viewport. The viewport should not change when the page is zoomed in on. I > think that most users would expect that zooming would enlarge a protion of > the viewport, and that is what it should do. > > Cary > > Cary Gordon, MLS > The Cherry Hill Company > http://chillco.com > >> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Katherine Deibel <dei...@uw.edu> wrote: >> >>> When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* >>> insomuch as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to >>> the media query magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, >>> like for your phone, then it presents a different layout. >> >> Because yes, that is exactly what users are expecting when they use a >> feature called zoom. Content and layout change too in other applications >> like Word, PDF readers, etc. when you zoom in and out... oh wait... they >> don't. >> >> Nope. I would argue that most users believe zoom works like zoom in other >> applications and would not talk about the technical aspects of how >> responsiveness and concepts like view ports. >> >> From a disability accessibility perspective, magnification is not purely >> about text readability but making sure that all features of a >> website---images, interactive widgets, text, etc.---are of use to the user. >> Merely changing the font size is like putting out a fire in the kitchen >> while the rest of the house is ablaze. >> >> >> >> Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology >> Services University of Washington Libraries >> http://staff.washington.edu/deibel >> >> -- >> >> "When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina." >> >> On 2016-02-08 7:18 AM, Michael Schofield wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Chiming in. Kyle asked >>> >>>> The reference librarians frequently zoom in on our homepage during class >>>> instruction, and have noticed that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage >>>> switches from desktop to the mobile layout. Is there any easy way around >>>> this? In other words, is it possible to fix the site so that, if a user >>>> is on a desktop/laptop, zooming in on the homepage will *not* flip the >>>> user over to the mobile layout? >>> >>> This is actually the normal and expected behavior of responsive websites. >>> Otherwise breaking this zoom would make the content less accessible, but >>> perhaps a workaround would be to add a font size toggle in the header of >>> the website where users can increase or decrease just the font size. Since >>> I read you were using jQuery, check out this code that does what I >>> described really neatly: http://codepen.io/ianfarb/pen/sxbvk . >>> >>> When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* >>> insomuch as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to >>> the media query magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, >>> like for your phone, then it presents a different layout. >>> >>> Anyway, I really wanted to comment to warn against making changes like this >>> to your website because of library-specific use cases - e.g., someone, >>> staff or stakeholder, complains. These don't reflect the use cases of your >>> patronbase. >>> >>> The reference librarians can change the default font size of their >>> browsers. I would make them google that, rather than seek to break >>> the zoom. For starters, here is how you go about it in Chrome. >>> http://www.ehow.com/how_10035444_change-text-size-color-google.html >>> >>> Good question! >>> >>> Michael Schofield >>> www.libux.co / @schoeyfield / www.webforlibraries.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf >>> Of Katherine N. Deibel >>> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 2:43 PM >>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question >>> >>> This is actually a really good question as it gets into an >>> interesting tension between responsiveness and accessibility. Zooming >>> is often a useful means of addressing visual access issues, and one >>> cannot presume that a user will have external or in-browser apps for >>> magnification. >>> >>> There is some literature on defining media queries using em/rem units >>> instead of pixels, which would address some of the issues. >>> http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-ems-have-it-proportional-media-queries- >>> ftw/ https://css-tricks.com/zooming-squishes/ >>> >>> I can't say for certain about this, however, as I haven't tested it yet. >>> I have now added zooming vs responsiveness to my testing criteria. >>> >>> >>> Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology >>> Services University of Washington Libraries >>> http://staff.washington.edu/deibel >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina." >>> >>> On 2/5/2016 10:40 AM, Kyle Breneman wrote: >>>> Happy Friday, everybody! >>>> >>>> Our library recently got a shiny new, responsive-esque website. >>>> <http://langsdale.ubalt.edu> The reference librarians frequently >>>> zoom in on our homepage during class instruction, and have noticed >>>> that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage switches from desktop to the >>>> mobile layout. >>>> >>>> Is there any easy way around this? In other words, is it possible >>>> to fix the site so that, if a user is on a desktop/laptop, zooming >>>> in on the homepage will *not* flip the user over to the mobile layout? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help! >>>> >>>> Kyle >>>>
