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Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist
Information Technology Services
University of Washington Libraries
http://staff.washington.edu/deibel

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On 2016-02-08 5:40 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
I have long held the following opinion on zoom control directives:

Grrrrrr


On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Haitz, Lisa (haitzlm) <hait...@ucmail.uc.edu> 
wrote:

In the case of the original question, with regard to  
<http://langsdale.ubalt.edu>
This code is on the web site:
<meta name="viewport"
            content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0"/>


In my experience, I thought having the max-scale value would affect 
accessibility, by breaking the zoom function.??

http://a11yproject.com/posts/never-use-maximum-scale/

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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary 
Gordon
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:11 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Don't Change Your Site Because of Reference Librarians 
RE: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question

This is less a matter of site behavior that it is an issue with how the zoom 
feature works. I agree that zoom should work as you describe, but it won’t work 
that way if the browser is sending the wrong message regarding the viewport. 
The viewport should not change when the page is zoomed in on. I think that most 
users would expect that zooming would enlarge a protion of the viewport, and 
that is what it should do.

Cary

Cary Gordon, MLS
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Katherine Deibel <dei...@uw.edu> wrote:

When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* insomuch 
as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to the media query 
magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, like for your phone, 
then it presents a different layout.

Because yes, that is exactly what users are expecting when they use a feature 
called zoom. Content and layout change too in other applications like Word, PDF 
readers, etc. when you zoom in and out... oh wait... they don't.

Nope. I would argue that most users believe zoom works like zoom in other 
applications and would not talk about the technical aspects of how 
responsiveness and concepts like view ports.

 From a disability accessibility perspective, magnification is not purely about 
text readability but making sure that all features of a website---images, 
interactive widgets, text, etc.---are of use to the user. Merely changing the 
font size is like putting out a fire in the kitchen while the rest of the house 
is ablaze.



Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology
Services University of Washington Libraries
http://staff.washington.edu/deibel

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"When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina."

On 2016-02-08 7:18 AM, Michael Schofield wrote:
Hi folks,

Chiming in. Kyle asked

The reference librarians frequently zoom in on our homepage during class 
instruction, and have noticed that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage 
switches from desktop to the mobile layout. Is there any easy way around this?  
In other words, is it possible to fix the site so that, if a user is on a 
desktop/laptop, zooming in on the homepage will *not* flip the user over to the 
mobile layout?

This is actually the normal and expected behavior of responsive websites. 
Otherwise breaking this zoom would make the content less accessible, but 
perhaps a workaround would be to add a font size toggle in the header of the 
website where users can increase or decrease just the font size. Since I read 
you were using jQuery, check out this code that does what I described really 
neatly: http://codepen.io/ianfarb/pen/sxbvk .

When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* insomuch 
as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to the media query 
magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, like for your phone, 
then it presents a different layout.

Anyway, I really wanted to comment to warn against making changes like this to 
your website because of library-specific use cases - e.g., someone, staff or 
stakeholder, complains. These don't reflect the use cases of your patronbase.

The reference librarians can change the default font size of their
browsers. I would make them google that, rather than seek to break
the zoom. For starters, here is how you go about it in Chrome.
http://www.ehow.com/how_10035444_change-text-size-color-google.html

Good question!

Michael Schofield
www.libux.co / @schoeyfield / www.webforlibraries.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
Of Katherine N. Deibel
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 2:43 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question

This is actually a really good question as it gets into an
interesting tension between responsiveness and accessibility. Zooming
is often a useful means of addressing visual access issues, and one
cannot presume that a user will have external or in-browser apps for 
magnification.

There is some literature on defining media queries using em/rem units
instead of pixels, which would address some of the issues.
http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-ems-have-it-proportional-media-queries-
ftw/ https://css-tricks.com/zooming-squishes/

I can't say for certain about this, however, as I haven't tested it yet.
I have now added zooming vs responsiveness to my testing criteria.


Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology
Services University of Washington Libraries
http://staff.washington.edu/deibel

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"When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina."

On 2/5/2016 10:40 AM, Kyle Breneman wrote:
Happy Friday, everybody!

Our library recently got a shiny new, responsive-esque website.
<http://langsdale.ubalt.edu>  The reference librarians frequently
zoom in on our homepage during class instruction, and have noticed
that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage switches from desktop to the mobile 
layout.

Is there any easy way around this?  In other words, is it possible
to fix the site so that, if a user is on a desktop/laptop, zooming
in on the homepage will *not* flip the user over to the mobile layout?

Thanks for your help!

Kyle

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