I am passing this on from lb aka Fireball .. he seems to want to help Bob
[1:29] <lb> anyway.. [1:29] <lb> 21 BN-ag1.BN.net.DTAG.DE (62.154.66.46) 179 ms 180 ms 181 ms [1:29] <lb> 22 192.168.0.2 (192.168.0.2) 188 ms 191 ms 184 ms [1:29] <lb> 23 192.168.0.2 (192.168.0.2) 189 ms 185 ms 183 ms [1:29] <lb> 24 195.243.61.88 (195.243.61.88) 193 ms 187 ms 185 ms [1:29] <lb> check this out a bit.. :) > ok [1:30] <lb> 192.168.0.2 [1:30] <lb> the microsoft lan default [1:30] <lb> :) [1:30] <lb> so the router's ip can't be seen.. [1:30] <lb> if they do that to undernet servers.. [1:30] <lb> it would be a lot harder to packet them.. [1:30] <lb> a WHOLE lot..