If there is a need to fake, the person who owns the bot is most likely some abuser. If that person is an abuser, we deal with an abusive bot. If a bot using a non-bot-username is detected while abusing, I guess opers will quickly take action :o)
The point is not wether to determinate if a bot is a bot or not, it is to exclude non-abusive bots from certain things, and give them special restrictions in exchange for a granted connection in a special class using a specified usermode. If a bot is detected while abusing, they 'll get punished. Since an abuser is every client that doesn't behave according to the channel rules, there is no need to know if it's a bot or not. We don't need to judge bots, we don't need to make the choice for owners wether they want a bot-username/mode or not. But if we provide it, we should make it attractive so botowners are willing to use it. It will improve the network, it will provide a better overview, and it will give a certain 'rank' to bots, so non-regged channels can also be supported. regards ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Real Name: Dimitri Logie IRC Name: éL NìçóS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Company: Systray Solutions URL: http://www.systray.be Contact: #Systray @ Krey.Net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Spierling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s) How would you tell if they are bots tho? I suppose ctcp checks could be done but they can be easily faked -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Scott Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Kev; Carlo Wood Cc: Isomer; Dani?l Boeije; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s) Maybe we could force them to identify themselves as bots or else we'll kick them off the network. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kev Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:16 PM To: Carlo Wood Cc: Isomer; Dani?l Boeije; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s) > Being able to ban bots from channels. > Only allowing bots to message people who are on the same channel > (disable PRIVMSG thus, only allowing CPRIVMSG). > Put a much tighter restriction on (joining/)parting channels, > for example a maximum of one PART per 20 minutes. > Not allowing bots to talk to channels at all unless they are +o or +v. > Keeping a counter per human of the number of times they > are msg-ed by a (different) bot per second; if someone is > messaged by -say- 10 different bots within 10 seconds then > report all bots that msg this target to (a channel with) IRC opers > (botnet detection). > Disconnect bots that are idling when a server is full and > a human wants to connect. It's an interesting idea--but it requires that the bot identify itself. I highly doubt we could convince botnet owners to make their bots identify themselves as bots. It's unfortunate--it would be such a useful thing :( -- Kevin L. Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
