davsclaus commented on code in PR #28264:
URL: https://github.com/apache/camel/pull/28264#discussion_r4344924192


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components/camel-hazelcast/src/main/java/org/apache/camel/component/hazelcast/listener/CamelReliableMessageListener.java:
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+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.camel.component.hazelcast.listener;
+
+import com.hazelcast.topic.ReliableMessageListener;
+import org.apache.camel.component.hazelcast.HazelcastDefaultConsumer;
+import org.slf4j.Logger;
+import org.slf4j.LoggerFactory;
+
+/**
+ * The listener of a reliable topic consumer. A reliable topic keeps its 
messages in a ringbuffer: a listener that falls
+ * behind by more than its capacity (or its time to live) loses the messages 
that were overwritten. Hazelcast removes a
+ * listener that is not loss tolerant at that point, for good, which would 
leave the consumer started without receiving
+ * anything again. This listener reports the loss and goes on with the oldest 
message still in the ringbuffer.
+ */
+public class CamelReliableMessageListener extends CamelMessageListener 
implements ReliableMessageListener<Object> {
+
+    private static final Logger LOG = 
LoggerFactory.getLogger(CamelReliableMessageListener.class);
+
+    private final String cacheName;
+    // the sequence of the last message received, -1 before the first one
+    private long lastSequence = -1;
+
+    public CamelReliableMessageListener(HazelcastDefaultConsumer consumer, 
String cacheName) {
+        super(consumer, cacheName);
+        this.cacheName = cacheName;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public long retrieveInitialSequence() {
+        // the messages published from now on, as with a plain message listener
+        return -1;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public void storeSequence(long sequence) {
+        // called by one thread at a time, for each message in order
+        if (lastSequence >= 0 && sequence > lastSequence + 1) {
+            LOG.warn("The consumer of the reliable topic {} lost {} messages: 
they were overwritten in the ringbuffer"
+                     + " before they were received",

Review Comment:
   Optional: the messages can also have expired (ringbuffer time-to-live), not 
only been overwritten.
   
   ```suggestion
               LOG.warn("The consumer of the reliable topic {} lost {} 
messages: they were overwritten or expired in the"
                        + " ringbuffer before they were received",
   ```



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components/camel-hazelcast/src/main/java/org/apache/camel/component/hazelcast/listener/CamelReliableMessageListener.java:
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+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *      http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.camel.component.hazelcast.listener;
+
+import com.hazelcast.topic.ReliableMessageListener;
+import org.apache.camel.component.hazelcast.HazelcastDefaultConsumer;
+import org.slf4j.Logger;
+import org.slf4j.LoggerFactory;
+
+/**
+ * The listener of a reliable topic consumer. A reliable topic keeps its 
messages in a ringbuffer: a listener that falls
+ * behind by more than its capacity (or its time to live) loses the messages 
that were overwritten. Hazelcast removes a
+ * listener that is not loss tolerant at that point, for good, which would 
leave the consumer started without receiving
+ * anything again. This listener reports the loss and goes on with the oldest 
message still in the ringbuffer.
+ */
+public class CamelReliableMessageListener extends CamelMessageListener 
implements ReliableMessageListener<Object> {
+
+    private static final Logger LOG = 
LoggerFactory.getLogger(CamelReliableMessageListener.class);
+
+    private final String cacheName;
+    // the sequence of the last message received, -1 before the first one
+    private long lastSequence = -1;
+
+    public CamelReliableMessageListener(HazelcastDefaultConsumer consumer, 
String cacheName) {
+        super(consumer, cacheName);
+        this.cacheName = cacheName;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public long retrieveInitialSequence() {
+        // the messages published from now on, as with a plain message listener
+        return -1;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public void storeSequence(long sequence) {
+        // called by one thread at a time, for each message in order
+        if (lastSequence >= 0 && sequence > lastSequence + 1) {
+            LOG.warn("The consumer of the reliable topic {} lost {} messages: 
they were overwritten in the ringbuffer"
+                     + " before they were received",
+                    cacheName, sequence - lastSequence - 1);
+        }
+        lastSequence = sequence;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public boolean isLossTolerant() {
+        return true;
+    }
+
+    @Override
+    public boolean isTerminal(Throwable failure) {
+        // the route's failures are handled by the consumer's exception 
handler and do not reach Hazelcast
+        return false;
+    }

Review Comment:
   Optional: `MessageRunner.cancel()` calls `listener.onCancel()` (a default 
method in 5.4) whenever Hazelcast gives up on the listener. Besides loss, that 
happens on an unexpected error from the ringbuffer read 
(`handleInternalException`: the "Unhandled exception" path, a destroyed topic, 
an instance that is no longer active). In each of those cases the route stays 
started and silent, which is the same symptom as CAMEL-25843. You could 
override `onCancel()` and log a WARN when the consumer is still started. 
`doStop` -> `removeMessageListener` calls `onCancel()` as well, so check 
`getConsumer().isStarted()` (false while stopping) to avoid logging on a normal 
stop.



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