On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 08:06 PM, Paulo Gaspar wrote:

> That is what the wrappers I took from Avalon that I posted AGES
> AGO do!
>
> You are relearning all the stuff from zero instead of looking at
> tested code written by people with more experience on logging
> (not me - Peter Donald).
>
> I once saw a minimal common interface for logging from Ceki and
> basically it was very much as the one that Peter designed too.
> This means that the logging guys agree at least on this interface
> (and not much else (o;= ).
>
> It would be great to just learn from their experience, no?

<sigh> i'd hoped that i wouldn't have to get into this </sigh>

i know peter's views on logging pretty well. i think that the only way 
that we'll ever achieve what we need - a minimal component-oriented 
logging system - is by ignoring them and going back to first principles.

i've said before that i'd be very happy to consider your suggestion as a 
'second generation commons logging package' but anything with peter's name 
anywhere near it is too divisive for me to even consider as a first 
generation solution.

- robert


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