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Subject: Re: [logging] Need interface...


> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>
> > Is that not also the case with Log4J and JDK 1.4?
> > Only the Avalon logger has a notion of IoC AFAIK.  It
> > seems odd to be supporting IoC logging in
> > commons-logging, when we know that all of our other
> > components will not be able to utilize it.
>
> Please move the discussion about IoC and Avalon to avalon-dev.

I'm sorry if this is such a politically charged term for you.  I'm merely
referring to the practice of externally generating a class' Log object.
Call it what you like.

> The proposal didn't mentioned IoC and I don't see how this get into
> this.
>
> Most of the components implement Beans patterns and should support
> runtime changes to config ( JMX or not ). That has nothing to
> do with any inversion of control, it's standard java.

In this particular case, we would not implement this interface in our
components, because we do not require that an external
framework/factory/whatever generate Log objects for individual classes.  And
since we don't expect such behaviour in Commons components, it seems
counter-productive to support it in the logger, which would introduce the
possibility of such an interface being used inconsistently.

> Avalon and IoC are 'special' in that they require only one way
> to do things - and that's not something we'll do in commons or
> other projects. But that's their problem, not ours.
>
> Costin
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