2 + 3 are both a bit pointless in a charter, they only seem to have a
point in a proposal for a sub-project. I'll keep them in however. 4 is
also quite pointless for a charter, so leaving them in for a later
discussion on removing all 3.

How would you change:

"The following charter for Jakarta Commons was initially approved by the
Jakarta Project Management Committee on March 19, 2001. The latest
version, 1.1, was approved by the PMC on _date_."

to represent your second paragraph?

We could link to the CVS history page;

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-commons/commons-build/xdocs/charter.xml

Hen

On Sun, 23 May 2004, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:

> Sections 2 and 3 are part of the "form" requested by the Jakarta PMC as
> part of a sub-project proposal (this info used to live at
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html before the incubator
> came into being.)  I'm not sure why we'd want to remove this information,
> although it might make sense to note where reality deviated from the plan.
>
> Also note the comment at the top the charter page.  This was the specific
> proposal approved by the PMC.  If we want to make revisions or comments to
> that charter, so be it, but let's not pretend that the revision is the
> history.
>
> On Fri, 14 May 2004, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> >
> > [hopefully all these general emails won't mean that only one turns into a
> > living thread]
> >
> > I'd like to try and get us moving forward on the Commons charter a bit.
> > It's easy to turn this into a long series of misunderstood arguments, so
> > my first suggestion is hopefully something very unargumentative.
> >
> > [cf http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/charter.html]
> >
> > I'm proposing that we:
> >
> > **
> > Remove (1.5.2) as it has never happened and is nothing our community is
> > striving to make happen. This also involves a FAQ entry on the directory
> > being removed.
> >
> > Remove (2) as this is not relevant to the charter nowadays, plus it's not
> > even an accurate representation of the original components. If this
> > information is deemed useful, we need to ask Craig to give us another
> > history lesson and make some notes, probably elsewhere.
> >
> > Remove (3) as it is no longer relevant and should be documented in an
> > available resources section. [ie) can a new Commons component use JIRA,
> > where is our wiki etc].
> > **
> >
> > I don't believe any of these are too big a deal and getting things moving
> > will give us a foundation for future discussions. I think that a typical 3
> > +1 and no -1 vote should be fine for such a thing [unless anyone knows of
> > obscure rules], and will plan to send out such a vote on the above if no
> > discussion occurs.
> >
> > Hen
> >
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