Wolfgang Hoschek wrote:
Mark,
I am not worried about "fracturing". My understanding is that you wouldn't start doing colt releases build by apache, right? You'd rather take some parts or derivatives of the code and add them to commons-math CVS as you see fit (probably in a significantly refactored/modified form). I thought that was the overall idea, and it seems to me a good one.
We have discussed a "Larger" project at Apache that would be more "expansive" than what is currently capable in the "Jakarta Commons". Whether or not such a project takes off has been limited more by uncertainty of what its "boundaries" would be.
If all goes well, Colt as an external library could fade into oblivion in a year or two, or whatever time it takes for math to really shape up. That's absolutely fine with me.
Do you suspect that you or CERN will maintain historical archiving of the Colt project indefinitely if it did? This is one of the characteristics of ASF, we maintain historical CVS and distribution archives for all the projects that have existed in Apache. So, if Colt moved into Apache, it would have a long term, canonical archival home for its existence even if it's contents were integrated into Apache Math. If it was not your interest to maintain it any longer, then such an option would be beneficial for the both historical referencing and reusage.
As far as myself as project member/committer: Thanks for the kind invitation, but I'm really busy with other things these days. However, I can be there for you in case you'd have questions about how/why things work "the way they work" in colt. To reach me, please make sure to "cc" me; commons-dev is a high volume mailing list.
Of course, we would enjoy any involvement you can provide. I understand your career focus may be in different directions now.
I have no particular opinion on (A), it's up to you.
B) sounds confusing to me as it might indicate to users that they should use that library instead of commons-math. Why have a jakarta level project if all you want is to take some parts or derivatives of it and integrate them in "math"?
Regards, Wolfgang.
Codebases have been donated to Apache Jakarta in the past which maintain similar capabilities. For instance, Oro and Apache Regexp were projects from different development groups, the code donation was to, in my belief, provide a mechanism to merge these projects at a time in the future, taking the best of both worlds.
http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html http://jakarta.apache.org/regexp/index.html
I do adimately believe we would not want to consider releasing a full version of Colt unless you were interested in migrating the entire project into Apache, this is what I mean by fracturing, we do not want to see two separate "Colt" communities competing for membership, this would not be in either of our interests, would confuse the userbase and not allow us to build a "shared" development community.
thanks, Mark
-- Mark Diggory Open Source Software Developer Apache Jakarta Project http://jakarta.apache.org
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