robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/15/2004 01:44:47 PM:
> On 11 Dec 2004, at 02:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > It disturbs me that what seems to me to be a reasonable and small set > > of > > requirements --- along with what appears to have been considerable > > forethought based upon real world issues, and experiences supporting > > many > > developers --- appears to be discounted a bit too out of hand. I hope > > my > > perception is wrong. > > > > Does anyone really dispute the requirement to support localization for > > log > > messages or the additional JSR-mandated logging requirements? If not, > > then > > let's work constructively towards satisfying the requirements. And > > not by > > relying upon some IDE's tooling. > > IMHO given the amount of grief that the commons-logging team (richard > included) has suffered over the years, i'm glad that we're actually > discussing the issues before launching code on unsuspecting millions. > i'd much rather that people speak up and voice their concerns now when > we can actually acknowledge them and (at the very least) document > reasons for rejecting. > > we've been stuck for a number of years with a flawed API. with more > discussion, it might have been possible to fix them at the start. i'd > hope that we (as a community) have learnt from that (bitter) experience > and would be a little more willing to encourage a full and frank > discussion. Absolutely. This is exactly my intent, for those who raised concerns/issue with the dropping of a proposal "prior to opening discussions with the JCL community". Yes, we did put a lot of thought into it. Yes, I expected and desire a lot of discussion, and debate, with the JCL community. Yes, I expect that there will be changes before we settle on the right direction for the next step. And I wouldn't have it any other way: I want the community buy in before we move forward... but I also want this to move forward. > > - robert > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************* Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
