Dear Andrew, Many thanks for the feedback and for sharing the policy which i believe is a good starting point. Maybe we need a couple of town hall meetings with the business/corporate communicate and policy makers to break the resistance.
Best Regards On 10/10/16, Andrew Alston <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Barrack, > > We are also running native v6 on our FTTH network and continuing to deploy. > We plan to also shortly enable our public wifi networks in Kenya and are > working towards this (couple of vendor related issues that are being worked > on in this regard) > > We are in a position to roll out IPv6 to any corporate customer and IP > transit customer who wishes it as well, and have some IPT customers actively > using IPv6 - Basically the entire Liquid network, irrespective of which > country we operate in, is fully V6 ready. > > The reason the percentage point indicators in the stats I've given haven't > moved that much though is because convincing corporate customers to take > IPv6 is slightly more challenging, and our consumer rollouts in Kenya are > still relatively new (and as a result not yet large enough to seriously move > the penetration figures for the entire country). We are however working > with our customers to continue to increase the penetration percentages and > get the v6 adopted by the customers. > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 October 2016 14:29 > To: Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <[email protected]> > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [kictanet] Liquid Telecom warns of looming > address shortage - Daily Nation > > Dear Walu et al? > > Liquid has been on Zimbabwean Media over successfull V6 deployment. > Andrew , what is impeding deployment of the same in Kenya? > > Regards > > On 10/10/16, Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> > wrote: >> @Mwendwa,>>> >> What can you do? >> - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and >> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and >> economic incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6 >> compatibility in procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within >> your government agencies. >>>>>The above text is what we were looking for to include in our revised >>>>>.KE ICT Policy. How I wish you had shared this earlier :-) >> walu. >> >> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet >> <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva <[email protected]>; General Discussions >> of AFRINIC <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of >> looming address shortage - Daily Nation >> >> This is an extremely important debate for the continent. Thank you Ali >> for that. >> Some of these issues have been debated thoroughly in several forums. >> It's very important we continue debating them until we see an >> exponential growth of IPv6 in the continent.To answer a few questions, >> there is a clear justification on why it is necessary to migrate to IPv6. >> Among them: >> - There are no enough IPv4 remaining for everyone. There are more >> devices, and people on earth than IPv4. Maximum IPv4 addresses are >> 4billion. >> Population of Earth is 7.3Billion. Maximum IPv6 address 3.4×10 38 >> - Migration will not happen overnight since the recommended >> implementation is dual-stacking; that is, running IPv4 and IPv6 in >> parallel. >> We are not telling people to do away with IPv4, but to run the two >> protocols in parallel. >> - To be a producer of information, you cannot use a shared IP, you >> need a dedicated IP. This has been a big challenge in the continent. >> We have stifled innovation by using shared IPs. >> - There are many services now around the world which are IPv6 only >> website and services. If you are not on IPv6, you cannot get to these >> networks. Africa may get into what I can call "Information dark age" >> if we cannot acess some parts of the Internet. >> - IPv6 is necessary for business growth. How? How will your >> business scale when IPv4 has run out? >> What has AFRINIC done to bridge the gap?1. Trainings. This year alone, >> AFRINIC is conducting free IPv6 trainings to over 23 countries across >> the continent. Kenya was among the beneficiaries. Check this link >> http://www.afrinic.net/services/training >> AFRINIC has an extensive training program provides free training to >> over 600 network engineers per year on Internet Number Resources >> Management (INRM) and IPv6 Planning and Deployment. Our training >> courses are always growing to support the technologies related to >> Internet resources, including DNSSEC & RPKI. AFRINIC's IPv6 course are >> IPv6 Forum (Gold) Certified and are fully hands-on, making use of >> extensive IPv6 testbed access which gives participants hands-on >> experience on real equipment to configure, test and troubleshoot IPv6. >> >> 2. AFRINIC has a Government Working Group (AfGWG). Here government >> players are brought together to be sensitized on the need to push for >> IPv6 adoption, and rollout of IXPs, among other. Here is the link >> https://meeting.afrinic.net/afgwg/ >> 3. Issuance of v6 blocks to ISPs. All ISPs have been issued V6 blocks >> by AFRINIC. What we should be seeing now is clients insisting they >> want the ISPs to pass the benefits to the end users. >> What can you do? >> - Government Organizations: Coordinate with industry to support and >> promote awareness and educational activities. Adopt regulatory and >> economic incentives to encourage IPv6 adoption. Require IPv6 >> compatibility in procurement procedures. Officially adopt IPv6 within >> your government agencies. >> - Broadband Access Providers: Your customers want access to the >> entire Internet, and this means IPv4 and IPv6 websites. Offering full >> access requires running IPv4/IPv6 transition services and is a >> significant engineering project. Multiple transition technologies are >> available, and each provider needs to make their own architectural >> decisions. >> - Internet Service Providers: Implement a plan that will allow your >> customers to connect to the Internet via IPv6 and IPv6/IPv4, not just >> IPv4. >> Businesses are beginning to ask for IPv6 over their existing Internet >> connections and for their co-located servers. Communicate with your >> peers and vendors about IPv6, and confirm their timelines for >> production IPv6 services. >> - Internet Content Providers: Content must be reachable to future >> Internet customers. Plan on serving content via IPv6 in addition to >> IPv4 as soon as possible. >> - Enterprise Customers: Email, web, and application servers must be >> reachable via IPv6 in addition to IPv4. Open a dialogue with your ISP >> about providing IPv6 services. Each organization must decide on >> timelines, and investment level will vary. >> >> What is the role of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in deploying >> IPv6?This link >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/attachments/201607 >> 10/f7e693ac/attachment-0001.pdf contains some very interesting >> statistics and findings on V6 deployments around the world, shared at >> the OECD Ministerial Meeting in June2016. One lesson we can learn from >> this is work very closely with ISPs. That seems to be the solution in >> the success stories. >> >> *Some statistics on deployments*Belgium 55.11%,Germany 34.50%,United >> States 32.83%Greece 28.53%Portugal 25.80%Ecuador 20.8%,Peru >> 19.35%,Estonia 17,32%Japan 16.61%,Canada 9.83%Norway 6.65%Bolivia >> 3.8%Italy 0.73%Spain 0.7%Denmark 0.61% Some interesting findings is >> that deployment depends on the large ISPs uptake of v6 regardless of >> economic circumstances. e.g Peru has a lower per capita but has more >> deployment than Norway. Portugal with $22,000/capita and Greece >> $21,000/capita are outperforming Denmark with $60,000/capita. Canada >> $45,000/capita is trailing Estonia with $19,000/capita. >> In the success stories, the majority of the commercial access market >> products have IPv6 enabled by default, and competing products have >> matching features. >> >> Regards >> >> ______________________ >> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >> twitter.com/lordmwesh >> >> >> >> On 10 October 2016 at 11:44, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That said, do we have any experts on DOA? I personally believe this is >> the way forward... >> https://www.google.co.kr/url? sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url= >> https://www.itu.int/ITU-D/arb/ ARO/2011/CyberSecurityForum- >> Eg/Docs/Doc11-Sorene_18-12- 2011.pptx&ved=0ahUKEwjsv8jc3c_ >> PAhUU82MKHeXuALIQFggZMAA&usg= AFQjCNGzWEx4VBdgLQYrceW- >> eme4GvjaWwThanks On 10 Oct 2016 4:37 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" >> <[email protected] > wrote: >> >> Andrew >> Thank you so much for that informative response. >> So let's paint a scenario. >> Say, v4 exhausts in say 3 years. What are the implications for the >> continent esp those who will not have migrated? >> Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 >> Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c >> om/in/alihkassim >> >> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking >> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my >> iPad On 10 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Alston >> <[email protected] om> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Ali, If I may respond here. Firstly – I think we need to be >> careful about referring to blanket transition – what Liquid has said >> is, we have to be ready with dual-stack networks. As v4 runs out – >> that dual-stack becomes more and more critical because it will enable >> the full transition when the time comes for it. How soon that will >> come is hard to say – but it is coming. What are the major >> impediments? There are 2 or 3 major points >> here: a.) Lack of will to actually do it – it takes work, it takes >> time, it takes effort – and the will power to actually move beyond >> talking the talk into walking the walk doesn’t seem to be thereb.) >> Lack of understanding/skill – The fact is that implementing v6 vs >> implementing v4 – it’s just another protocol, same routing, same >> everything. But there is a fear factor walking into something that is >> misunderstood. That lack of understanding that you can build this >> simultaneously in the same way you build v4, creates the fear factor. >> The fear of handling addressing plans in hexadecimal is also >> prohibiting growth. I run into that one a lot – people having issues >> with the address planning.c.) The last question is the million >> dollar one – because the reality is – all it takes is will power and a >> willingness to actually take some action. The simple fact is – we had >> a relatively small team on this – we committed a bunch of hours – we >> stuck our heads down and did it. We did not spend money – other than >> the cost of the time (which is an OPEX cost admittedly). We said >> ourselves deadlines and we DID it. There are those who propose that >> setting policies to try and force >> v6 is workable – it’s not – unless the will is there it will achieve >> nothing. People have to WANT this. It is a matter of desire and a >> matter of seeing the benefits – the benefits are future proofing – >> they are not based on revenue generation, but more revenue retention. >> And if anyone wants to see just how much impact you can have with a >> small team that actually has the desire, please see the following >> stats out of Zimbabwe (our largest consumer market) >> http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip >> v6/ZW?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip >> v6/AS30969?b=20161001&d=10http://stats.labs.apnic.net/ip >> v6/XB?b=20161001&d=10 (I see things have slightly dropped off today, >> these stats tend to fluctuate, but fact is – it’s out there and it >> work’s. Andrew From: Ali Hussein <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, 10 October 2016 at 09:01 >> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected] >, >> General Discussions of AFRINIC <[email protected] > >> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Liquid Telecom warns of looming address >> shortage - Daily Nation Dear listersGreetings and apologies for >> cross-posting.Internet service provider Liquid Telecom Kenya has >> warned that Africa is set to run out of Internet Protocol (IP) >> addresses as early as next year, potentially slowing down digital >> growth in the continent.Read on:-http://www.nation.co.ke/busine >> ss/Liquid-Telecom-warns-of- >> looming-address-shortage/996- 3410850-format-xhtml-aub5sm/ >> index.htmlCouple of questions:-1. How involved are we as a community >> in ensuring the smooth transition from IPV4 to IPV6?2. What have been >> the major impediments to the successful migration?3. 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