> On 20 Apr 2017, at 15:21, Noah <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Mark Elkins <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > On 20/04/2017 14:28, Noah wrote: >> Hi Badru >> >> People are talking about targeting executive branches of governments not >> knowing that most of the shutdown that have happened in the past including >> the one in Cameroon has a lot to do with the local countries politics, >> policies and regulation. Some countries governments don't shutdown the >> internet but they have some crazy regulations that censor the cyber space >> that you would not even want to live there. >> >> For any organization to get number resources, the applicants are vetted by >> AFRINIC against their countries regulations (license of operation) which are >> a prerequisite for getting the IP resources from AFRINIC. This kind of >> relationship has existed between AFRINIC and all regulatory bodies in all >> countries that AFRINIC serve. What this basically mean is that if the >> country decided to deny an entity a license to operate, that entity cant >> access number resources from AFRINIC which means its only the local >> regulations that determine internet development, expansion and freedom and >> not AFRINIC. > > Ah - but this is not necessarily true. In South Africa, we were getting IP > resources before there were ISP licenses. You also don't need an ISP license > to do Web Hosting - and as I understand, neither the ZACR or DNS in South > Africa have ISP licenses - but run the ccTLD between them. Both > organisations have their own address space. The same goes for JINX > (CINX/DINX) the ISPAs exchange points. No licenses. Some people with their > own infrastructure at Teraco (data warehouse) - no licenses - but they have > address space. Universities don't have licenses either. That probably holds > true for all African countries. I'd guess End users generally fall into this > category. I guess governments do too. > > AFRINIC staff use there best ability to decide on the requirements. a > License is a reasonably easy criteria to ask for but I believe that if > AFRINIC was aware that the government was not playing fair - then licenses > would not be a criteria to getting address space. However, if you apply as an > ISP and need a license but can't operate in that country - then I guess you > wouldn't need address space. > > I am sure if you have a college and apply to AFRINIC - you'll be able to get > address space. > > > Elkins, > > So let me be specific. ISP's and Telecom as far as I know, require a license > from their respective communications regulators to operate Internet services. > This are the guys who the government targets first for internet shutdowns > not universities, IXP's, Hosting providers etc... though this group also can > be targeted.
I also fail to see Mark’s point. What would-be the point of end users with address space if there is no one to carry their traffic? I don’t know about South Africa, but in the countries I work with in WACREN and AfricaConnect2, there is no Internet without the ISPs and Telco’s. I don’t see a viable AFRINIC or our research networks for that matter without this group. -Omo
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