You are both entitled to your opinion. I don’t agree with Marcus’ interpretation of my actions or my motivations, but I see little point in dignifying either with a blow-by-blow accounting of where they diverge from reality.
Owen > On Mar 25, 2018, at 05:42 , Noah <[email protected]> wrote: > > Owen, > > On this one I agree with Marcus and Badru. > > Just to add also that occassional advice which mean good from community folks > from outside the region is welcome but with caustion. I have seen folks send > emails with rather sarcastic wikipedia references which are pointless. > > But different folks based on culture handle things differently. > > Take forexample USA, it would take a leader who has been accused of > forexample any form of harrasment less than 24hrs to step aside with dignity. > People dont just wake up in the morning and accuse others if there is no some > serious reason and sometimes you find someone has been undergoing some sort > of abuse for a while and they reach a point where they cant deal anymore and > they voice out. > > Anyways, what we are trying to say is, guests should not play kind, > especially when there are wrong doings which may affect culture and people > from a specific region. > > Noah > > > > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 1:17 p.m. Marcus K. G. Adomey, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >Owen > > > > At this particular stage of the life of AfriNIC when we the community is > managing a crisis, communication becomes a sensitive tool anyone should use > cautiously. Common sense (the best shared thing in the world – Descartes, > 1637) requires that we should be circumspect with what we post on our mailing > list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other way. > > > > A question was posed on the board on the rational for setting the amount of $ > 15000.00 for the investigation and the Common sense requires that the board > responds to this question. You are not a board member and you jump in to > answer and the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the question. > Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call “rich experience” you have? > Whichever way, please we don’t need it. Keep it to yourself because it is > disgusting. > > > > More vaporware!!! > > > > > > > > Marcus > > > > From: Badru Ntege <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:07:39 AM > To: Owen DeLong > Cc: General > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment > > Owen > > I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was > publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions > on this issue. > > We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter > at hand. > > In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board > member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff > which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. > > On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for > office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we > need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. > > Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. > > We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that > we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. > > I’m sorry that sickens me. > > Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we > are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it’s time we move > forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you > well. > > > Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as “mob > mentality” is insulting to say the least. > > I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in > Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that > continues to puzzle me to this day. > > Regards > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 21:41 , Badru Ntege <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> One becomes a board member as result of the will of the community through >>> an election. The ultimate owner of AFRINIC is the community. >> >> Technically, this is not quite accurate. One becomes a board member by the >> result of an election by the resource members, not the community. The >> community is a much larger body. >> >>> The community is saying it has lost faith in the office bearer >>> investigation or not since what the office bearer has admitted to is enough >>> for community to feel he is no longer suitable. >> >> Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying >> this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing >> that this position is held by a majority of the community. >> >>> The office bearer also has an allegation which is personal and that needs >>> to be investigated since it has far reaching implications to the >>> individuals involved. >> >> At least there is one true statement in your email. >> >>> The community is saying we need to move and he steps aside deals with his >>> issues without affecting AFRINIC business. I think this is only fare. >> >> Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for >> a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process. >> >>> However at the moment we are all being held hostage due to decisions made >>> earlier. >> >> This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the >> discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to >> use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no >> prisoners here. There are no hostages. The due process is being followed >> with reasonable deliberate haste. >> >>> We need to move >> >> What kind of movement are you seeking? Do you propose that we gather a lynch >> mob and take out all of those who are accused without bothering to >> investigate or establish the true facts of the situation? >> >> I’m sure this would satisfy the more vocal members of the community, but I >> do not think it would shine a positive light on AfriNIC going forward. >> >> I am very happy to see the current leadership attempting to continue with >> due process under the circumstances despite the mob mentality being >> expressed on this and other lists. >> >> Owen >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2018, at 07:33, Sunday Olutayo <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why is judgment being pass without investigation and hearing? Why are some >>>> people eager to be the hangmen without due process? I believe in justice, >>>> and it can only be obtained or dispersed through due process. >>>> >>>> We can not be passing judgment of yet to be proofed allegations. So let >>>> follow due process, the independent committee should it work. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sunday Olutayo >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2018 11:39 AM, Noah <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the >>>> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive >>>> statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in >>>> order to inform the community of what is being done about each of the >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> Thanks Wayne.... >>>> >>>> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion >>>> but i could be wrong. >>>> >>>> Mr.Masilela Lucky >>>> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye >>>> Mr.Bope Christian >>>> Mr.Ilunga Serge >>>> Mr.Ojedeji Seun >>>> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy >>>> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio) >>>> >>>> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of >>>> April for an investigation to start. >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together >>>> quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to >>>> resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner. >>>> >>>> >>>> +++1 >>>> >>>> Noah >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
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