Pls Tom, note that Larus Cloud and Larus Foundation are different entities.
Just for the records. Daniel On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 4:24 PM Tom Ochang <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello there, > I am an advocate for freedom of speech and expression and I think > that what Larus foundation did was to do a summary of the policies to > enable it's fellows to understand the policies better before discussions > during the PDP and concerning the 16million IP addresses, I don't think > Larus Stole them but I guess they were acquired legally by Larus > foundation. Finally, I urge Larus foundation to put more effort in making > summaries of all the policies that are meant to be discussed during the PDP > and also place it in a public domain for newbies. > > > ..Tom Ochang > Nigeria. > > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 16:04 Andrew Alston, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Just one final thought on this – >> >> “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right >> to say it” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall (Friends of Voltaire, 1906) >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew Alston <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:34 >> *To:* wafa DAHMANI <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship >> >> >> >> Wafa, >> >> So – let me say this. I see a document here – which lays out the >> policies – and provides a perspective of problems, it also lists the pros >> and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the foundation to lobby for its >> position, but – one of the things that I have long accepted in my life is – >> if you believe in something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – >> the summary that I see in this document – is something that by and large – >> should have been done long before they got around to it. >> >> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am entirely free >> to go and advocate for my position. I am also entirely free to sponsor >> people to come to a public meeting – and I am entirely free to choose those >> people as I so wish, if I choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s >> life – but it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature >> of internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not happen >> elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care about. It >> happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we want to cry when >> someone else does the same thing. >> >> Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening before – and I >> want to quote from the OIF website: *IOF organises political activities >> and actions of multilateral cooperation that benefit French-speaking >> populations.* >> >> Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money filling the >> room with people – and that statement does not say – is of benefit to >> Africa – it does not say is of benefit to the African continent – it does >> not say is to the benefit of the continent – it singles out a single >> demographic on the continent and says – we do what we do for their >> benefit. Now, let me be very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m >> actually ok with it – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – >> however, we cannot say – because it’s a government political organization – >> it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation – and sponsor >> people to the meetings – and then lobby for the positions that member is >> passionate about – suddenly its wrong. That is called hypocrisy. >> >> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with slips of >> paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and sit down – and the >> same happened in Botswana. Except, what I found was, when queried on the >> position that was taken at the microphone, the individual reading what they >> had off the paper, had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t >> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was behind >> that? And all of that – is on video for the world to see – but – it was ok >> then – suddenly it changes now because we don’t like the individual doing >> it? >> >> Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear – Lu Heng is >> not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I had some pretty strong >> things to say to him to his face, in front of others who will testify to >> what I said to him – however – I respect his rights as a member to >> participate in what is essentially a democratic process, that means – I >> respect his right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots >> on the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same way – >> I respect the right of any member to do that – and I respect the right of >> the members to then rebut what is said if they do not agree with it. It >> is through this lobbying position and through the back and forth that >> accompanies it, that great policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, >> nor is it through the silencing of the rights of others. >> >> My view – if anyone wants to come into the room and have their say – so >> be it – that is bottom up. If people want to lobby their positions – so be >> it – that is bottom up. If people want to spend money running tv adverts >> about their positions for all I care – so be it – that is the nature of the >> democratic position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share >> their views – again – so be it – that is the democratic process. However, >> it is the community who then need to rebut – but – the rebuttal should be >> on the policy itself. What I see here however, is a rebuttal of policy and >> a lobbying position taken on the **content** of the policy – unlike what >> I have seen time and again in the meetings where the lobbying position has >> NOTHING to do with the content or the policy. >> >> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here – quite frankly, >> reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu and I have some >> serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the comprehensive work – and I >> applaud them for taking a stance that was based on the policy and I embrace >> their right to lobby for their position in any way shape or form. That is >> not to say I agree with the positions taken in this document – I will >> reserve my policy comments for the policies and based on my own >> interpretation of such – but – I embrace the fact that at least, it was >> done based on what was written, and not on personal relationships, personal >> attacks, demographics, or anything else. >> >> >> >> So – to Lazarus – thank you for a job well done in the fact that you >> lobbied your position based on the policies – and left the other garbage >> behind, which is what we so often see. >> >> >> >> Finally – again – I respect the right to do what they did – and >> >> >> >> *THAT IS DEMOCRATIC* >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> *From:* wafa DAHMANI <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30 >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus >> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala, were >> given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC Number Resources Policy >> proposals detailed in the following link: >> >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg >> >> >> >> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation views >> of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants interventions >> on the proposals. >> >> >> >> The education package so proposed intends to condition these participants >> views on the proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after.... >> >> >> >> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to >> participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is behind >> each source email address... only opinions expressed in the context of the >> PDP matter. The substance of contribution really matter. Diversity of views >> are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. >> Also PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence. >> >> >> >> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough >> consensus process. >> >> >> >> Section 6 >> >> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough >> consensus. >> >> >> >> Section 7 >> >> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough >> consensus >> >> >> >> My African fellows, >> >> >> >> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is >> legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was useful to >> you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going on and >> what Africa needs... I hope you’ve made your minds and now able to speak >> on your personal capacity.. >> >> >> >> The real education package is as below: >> >> ===== >> >> >> >> Proposal to establish AFRINIC >> >> >> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997 >> >> >> >> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation) >> >> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf >> >> >> >> AFRINIC constitution >> >> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws >> >> >> >> Registration Service Agreement >> >> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa >> >> >> >> AFRINIC policy manual >> >> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual >> >> >> >> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM >> >> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre >> >> >> >> AFRINIC PDP >> >> https://www.afrinic.net/policy >> >> >> >> Rough Consensus >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282 >> >> >> >> AFRINIC current policy proposals >> >> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals >> >> >> >> RiRs PDPs >> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/ >> >> >> >> RIR comparative policy overview >> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/ >> >> ============== >> >> >> >> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way. >> >> >> >> Come build African Internet by Africans. >> >> >> >> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, afrinic >> member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4 is long >> established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the fellows would >> find these discussions in the archives. >> >> >> >> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of this >> resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions... the >> provisions of the bylaws and RSA must carefully be applied to recall >> members to acceptable code of conduct. >> >> >> >> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet community >> must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy development process >> and operations. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Wafa >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > RPD mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd >
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