Dear AFRInIC Staff, Can you please provide us the list of all the mentors used during the last Afrinic meeting?
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship (SOUAD ABIDI) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:29:12 +0100 > From: SOUAD ABIDI <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship > Message-ID: > < > caakrf6-wyeqoqr6vcw_ayfpkwjeao3tezrww_qmnzsvbsh3...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > correction : the meeting was from 26 to 30 November 2018 > excuse me > > Best regards > > Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 ? 13:22, SOUAD ABIDI <[email protected]> a ?crit : > > > @Taiwo > > > > As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input: > > > > We , as fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is a public doc > > ) 2 weeks before the meeting in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 . > > > > Kindly find attached : > > > > --The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th) > > --The doc you asked for > > > > Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process > > adopted for all the meetings. > > > > Best regards. > > Souad > > > > > > > > > > > > Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <[email protected]> a > > ?crit : > > > >> Hello Helen > >> I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers > who > >> are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows". > >> > >> Aleruchi > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > >> > >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, [email protected] > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Taiwo, > >> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in > >> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that > >> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We > >> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and > >> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue > >> learning and contributing to policy discussions. > >> Regards, > >> Hellen > >> > >> > >> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the > >> > policies to be discussed. > >> > > >> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students > >> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new > >> > members who are fresh in the policy development process. > >> > > >> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the > >> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every > >> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly. > >> > > >> > Cheers. > >> > > >> > Taiwo O > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Wafa, > >> >>> > >> >>> So ? let me say this. I see a document here ? which lays out > >> >>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also > >> >>> lists the pros and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the > >> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things > >> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in > >> >>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the > >> >>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and > >> >>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am > >> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position. I am also > >> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ? > >> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I > >> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but > >> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of > >> >>> internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not > >> >>> happen elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care > >> >>> about. It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we > >> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing. > >> >>> > >> >>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening > >> >>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF > >> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL > >> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___ > >> >>> > >> >>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money > >> >>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say > >> >>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to > >> >>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the > >> >>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent > >> >>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit. Now, let me be > >> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it > >> >>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we > >> >>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization > >> >>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation > >> >>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the > >> >>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong. > >> >>> That is called hypocrisy. > >> >>> > >> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with > >> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and > >> >>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana. Except, what I > >> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the > >> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper, > >> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t > >> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was > >> >>> behind that? And all of that ? is on video for the world to see > >> >>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we > >> >>> don?t like the individual doing it? > >> >>> > >> >>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear > >> >>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I > >> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front > >> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I > >> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is > >> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his > >> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on > >> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same > >> >>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I > >> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if > >> >>> they do not agree with it. It is through this lobbying position > >> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great > >> >>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it > >> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others. > >> >>> > >> >>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their > >> >>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people want to lobby > >> >>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people > >> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for > >> >>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic > >> >>> position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share their > >> >>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process. > >> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ? > >> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself. What I see here > >> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on > >> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and > >> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to > >> >>> do with the content or the policy. > >> >>> > >> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite > >> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu > >> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the > >> >>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that > >> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for > >> >>> their position in any way shape or form. That is not to say I > >> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve > >> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own > >> >>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at > >> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal > >> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else. > >> >>> > >> >>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact > >> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left > >> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see. > >> >>> > >> >>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ? > >> >>> and > >> >>> > >> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_ > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks > >> >>> > >> >>> Andrew > >> >>> > >> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <[email protected]> > >> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30 > >> >>> TO: [email protected] > >> >>> CC: [email protected] > >> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi > >> >>> > >> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus > >> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in > >> >>> Kampala, were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC > >> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link: > >> >>> > >> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation > >> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG > >> >>> participants interventions on the proposals. > >> >>> > >> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these > >> >>> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at > >> >>> the PPM and after.... > >> >>> > >> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual > >> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to > >> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions > >> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of > >> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged. > >> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. Also > >> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence. > >> >>> > >> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough > >> >>> consensus process. > >> >>> > >> >>> Section 6 > >> >>> > >> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough > >> >>> consensus. > >> >>> > >> >>> Section 7 > >> >>> > >> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be > >> >>> rough consensus > >> >>> > >> >>> My African fellows, > >> >>> > >> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process > >> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was > >> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand > >> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made > >> >>> your minds and now able to speak on your personal capacity.. > >> >>> > >> >>> The real education package is as below: > >> >>> > >> >>> ===== > >> >>> > >> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> > http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation) > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf > >> >>> > >> >>> AFRINIC constitution > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws > >> >>> > >> >>> Registration Service Agreement > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa > >> >>> > >> >>> AFRINIC policy manual > >> >>> > >> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual > >> >>> > >> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre > >> >>> > >> >>> AFRINIC PDP > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy > >> >>> > >> >>> Rough Consensus > >> >>> > >> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282 > >> >>> > >> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals > >> >>> > >> >>> RiRs PDPs > >> >>> > >> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/ > >> >>> > >> >>> RIR comparative policy overview > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ============== > >> >>> > >> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way. > >> >>> > >> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans. > >> >>> > >> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, > >> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of > >> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I > >> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives. > >> >>> > >> >>> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of > >> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid > >> >>> intentions... the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must > >> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of > >> >>> conduct. > >> >>> > >> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet > >> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy > >> >>> development process and operations. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> VIVIEN > >> >> LARUS CLOUD SERVICE LIMITED > >> >> p:+852 29888918 > >> >> f:+852 29888368 > >> >> e:[email protected] > >> >> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1] > >> >> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR > >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > > >> > > >> > Links: > >> > ------ > >> > [1] http://laruscloudservice.net/ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Community-Discuss mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> b > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> RPD mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> RPD mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190704/d32447e2/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > RPD mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > > > ------------------------------ > > End of RPD Digest, Vol 154, Issue 53 > ************************************ >
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