Hello, I agree with what was mentioned above and I believe that asking such inquiries does neither violate not infringes on the board's privacy, and that we deserve to be given such information, particularly if it is about canceling a membership. We also have the full right to inquire about how that decision was made, and that it is not a private matter if it was agreed upon years ago that it should be made public, and also because it impacts a large number of users.
Regards, Wijdane Le ven. 9 juil. 2021 à 14:36, Mimi dy <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hello all, > > I share the same view as Owen and Anthony. I really fail to understand why > a "member-based organization" like AFRINIC is rejecting "community members' > " request for some information which is originally supposed to be disclosed > to all stakeholders. All I see here is a clear abandonment of AFRINIC's > core principles: OPENNESS, TRANSPARENCY, FAIRNESS. Nothing is fair and > transparent about the way AFRINIC tackles the community's concerns/requests. > I feel like we should not even be having this whole discussion. From my > understanding, an RIR exists because of the community, how is it now > imposing insensitive rules, compromising the foundation of the Global > Internet, and concealing info that is bound to be at the disposal of the > community under any circumstances? > > First, Paul's queries remain unaddressed, then, normal requests are being > rejected due to ambiguous privacy and disclosure reasons. We urge AFRINIC's > staff for clarifications on these matters. > > Best regards. > > Le ven. 9 juil. 2021 à 12:53, Anthony Ubah <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> +1 @Owen DeLong <[email protected]> >> Apt. >> >> I really find it difficult to understand why a call for some measure of >> transparency is an issue here. >> For an organization built on the foundation of "Trust" and "Transparency" >> an inquiry like this should be responded to with smooth and prompt >> responses. >> Query on privacy clearly goes against the very principles of that very >> foundation. >> >> @Mike Silber <[email protected]> >> It's really not out of place for people to stand at opposite ends of the >> table view-wise, in oppinon or in ideology, and stay consistently so. It >> shouldn't baffle anyone, it is human nature. >> There isn't a rule of thumb that says that an issue must remain on the >> top burner until it strikes a chord, as is natural. Anything can trigger a >> spike. It is within the purview of every single member of the community to >> call make inquiries or to call the Board/members' inadequacies or " the >> quality of board minutes and voting records" into question at any time they >> feel the itch to do so, not necessarily at specific scheduled windows. In >> this case, Paul's inquiry into this is his spike, and he reserves the right >> to do so. >> >> >> *Best Regards,* >> >> *Anthony Ubah * >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:32 AM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Daniel, >>> >>> With all due respect, no, we don’t. The voting record of board members >>> in all matters AFRINIC >>> is a perfectly valid thing to consider when they come up for re-election >>> and should be a matter >>> of public record. >>> >>> The members have a right to know how the board is acting on their behalf >>> and they have a right >>> to know which board members are acting in what way during board meetings. >>> >>> Everything requested should absolutely be part of the published minutes >>> which the community >>> and board agreed should be public several years ago. >>> >>> There are no privacy rights of the board as a body and the board members >>> have no right or >>> expectation of privacy in board actions. The only exception should be >>> privileged or executive >>> sessions, such as those dealing with personnel matters (e.g. the firing >>> of the CEO, salaries, etc.). >>> >>> This motion should not fall within that criteria since the member in >>> question was not invited to present >>> a defense and was not in attendance at the meeting. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> On Jul 8, 2021, at 23:55 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Paul, >>> >>> I don't think who voted is of importance to the community. We need to >>> protect the privacy of the board members. >>> >>> The information you are requesting for infringes on privacy rights of >>> the board. >>> >>> Otherwise, thanks for your concern. >>> >>> Daniel Nanghaka >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 9:49 AM Paul Wollner < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> To whom it may concern, >>>> >>>> I believe the community would be most interested to see the notice, >>>> attendance, and voting >>>> record of the recent board meeting where Cloud Innovation’s membership >>>> was summarily >>>> terminated without notice and without opportunity to respond or appear >>>> in their own defense. >>>> >>>> I think the community would be most interested to know: >>>> >>>> 1. Which board members agreed to the meeting on short notice? >>>> 2. Which board members voted in favor of the motion and which >>>> against? >>>> 3. Who tabled and who seconded the motion? >>>> 4. What was the nature and extent of deliberations? >>>> 5. Why the urgency to act so swiftly after the judge set aside the >>>> order? >>>> 6. When was the meeting noticed? >>>> 7. When did the meeting take place? >>>> 8. How/where did the meeting take place? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Paul Wollner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 23:14:18 +0200 Eddy Kayihura<[email protected]> >>>> wrote ---- >>>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> AFRINIC hereby informs all those concerned that it has initiated >>>> actions for the reclamation of Internet number resources from Cloud >>>> Innovation Ltd. >>>> >>>> On 07 July 2021, the Supreme Court of Mauritius delivered a judgement >>>> whereby the application for injunction lodged by Cloud Innovation Ltd has >>>> been set aside. >>>> >>>> Consequently, on 08 July 2021, AFRINIC’s Board of Directors, whilst >>>> acting reasonably and in good faith, more so, in light of the judgment of >>>> the Supreme Court of Mauritius, found that Cloud Innovation Ltd failed to >>>> honour its obligations under the Registration Service Agreement and has >>>> thus decided to terminate the membership of Cloud Innovation Ltd as >>>> well as reclaim its number resources in the following manner: >>>> >>>> - The resources previously allocated to Cloud Innovation Ltd will >>>> be ‘frozen’ on the AFRINIC WHOIS database with Cloud Innovation Ltd no >>>> longer having access to the same. >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> In order not to disrupt Internet connectivity of the relevant >>>> users especially in the current context of the COVID-19 pandemic, all >>>> affected users will exceptionally be granted a grace period of 90 days >>>> to >>>> consider other available options in their best interests. Consequently, >>>> the >>>> actual reclamation of the relevant number resources will occur following >>>> the expiry of the grace period. >>>> >>>> >>>> Eddy Kayihura >>>> Chief Executive Officer, >>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> ……………………………………………………………………………………….. >>>> >>>> Chers collègues, >>>> >>>> AFRINIC informe toutes les personnes concernées qu'elle a entamé des >>>> actions de réclamation des ressources de numéros Internet auprès de Cloud >>>> Innovation Ltd. >>>> >>>> Le 07 juillet 2021, la Cour Suprême de Maurice a rendu un jugement par >>>> lequel la demande d'injonction déposée par Cloud Innovation Ltd a été >>>> rejetée. >>>> >>>> En conséquence, le 08 juillet 2021, le Conseil d'administration >>>> d'AFRINIC, tout en agissant raisonnablement et de bonne foi, et plus >>>> encore, à la lumière du jugement de la Cour Suprême de Maurice, a constaté >>>> que Cloud Innovation Ltd n'a pas honoré ses obligations en vertu du Contrat >>>> de Service d'Enregistrement et a donc décidé de résilier l'adhésion de >>>> Cloud Innovation Ltd ainsi que de réclamer ses ressources de numéros >>>> Internet de la manière suivante : >>>> >>>> - Les ressources précédemment attribuées à Cloud Innovation Ltd >>>> seront "gelées" dans la base de données WHOIS d'AFRINIC et Cloud >>>> Innovation >>>> Ltd n'y aura plus accès. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Afin de ne pas interrompre la connectivité Internet des >>>> utilisateurs concernés, notamment dans le contexte actuel de la >>>> pandémie de >>>> COVID-19, tous les utilisateurs concernés bénéficieront >>>> exceptionnellement >>>> d'une période de grâce de 90 jours pour envisager d'autres options >>>> disponibles dans leur intérêt. Par conséquent, la réclamation effective >>>> des >>>> ressources numériques concernées aura lieu après l'expiration de la >>>> période >>>> de grâce. >>>> >>>> >>>> Eddy Kayihura >>>> Chief Executive Officer, >>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> ……………………………………. >>>> >>>> زملائي الأعزاء، >>>> >>>> تُبلغ AFRINIC بموجب هذا جميع الأطراف المعنية بأنها قد بدأت إجراءات >>>> لاسترداد موارد أرقام الإنترنت من Cloud Innovation Ltd. >>>> >>>> في 07 يوليو 2021 ، أصدرت المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس حكماً تم بموجبه إلغاء >>>> طلب الإنذار المقدم من شركة Cloud Innovation Ltd. >>>> >>>> وبالتالي ، في 08 يوليو 2021 ، وجد مجلس إدارة AFRINIC ، أثناء تصرفه بشكل >>>> معقول وبحسن نية ، في ضوء حكم المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، أن Cloud Innovation >>>> Ltd فشلت في الوفاء بالتزاماتها بموجب اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل وبالتالي قررت >>>> إنهاء عضوية Cloud Innovation Ltd وكذلك استعادة مواردها الرقمية بالطريقة >>>> التالية: >>>> >>>> سيتم "تجميد" الموارد المخصصة سابقًا لشركة Cloud Innovation Ltd في قاعدة >>>> بيانات AFRINIC WHOIS ، حيث لم يعد بإمكان Cloud Innovation Ltd الوصول إليها. >>>> >>>> من أجل عدم تعطيل اتصال الإنترنت للمستخدمين المعنيين خاصة في السياق >>>> الحالي لوباء COVID-19 ، سيتم منح جميع المستخدمين المتأثرين بشكل استثنائي >>>> فترة سماح مدتها 90 يومًا للنظر في الخيارات المتاحة الأخرى بما يحقق مصلحتهم >>>> الفضلى. وبالتالي ، فإن الاسترداد الفعلي لموارد الأرقام ذات الصلة سيحدث بعد >>>> انتهاء فترة السماح. >>>> Eddy Kayihura >>>> Chief Executive Officer, >>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> ……………………………. >>>> >>>> Caros Colegas, >>>> >>>> AFRINIC informa todos os interessados que iniciou acções para a >>>> recuperação de recursos de números de Internet da Cloud Innovation Ltd. >>>> >>>> Em 07 de Julho de 2021, o Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias proferiu uma >>>> sentença pela qual o pedido de injunção apresentado pela Cloud Innovation >>>> Ltd foi anulado. >>>> >>>> Consequentemente, a 08 de Julho de 2021, o Conselho de Administração da >>>> AFRINIC, embora agindo razoavelmente e de boa fé, mais ainda, à luz do >>>> acórdão do Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias, considerou que a Cloud >>>> Innovation Ltd não honrou as suas obrigações ao abrigo do Acordo de Serviço >>>> de Registo, tendo assim decidido pôr termo à adesão da Cloud Innovation >>>> Ltd, bem como reclamar os seus recursos numéricos da seguinte forma: >>>> >>>> - Os recursos anteriormente atribuídos à Cloud Innovation Ltd serão >>>> "congelados" na base de dados AFRINIC WHOIS, tendo a Cloud Innovation >>>> Ltd >>>> deixado de ter acesso à mesma. >>>> - >>>> >>>> A fim de não perturbar a conectividade Internet dos utilizadores >>>> relevantes, especialmente no actual contexto da pandemia COVID-19, >>>> todos os >>>> utilizadores afectados terão excepcionalmente um período de graça de 90 >>>> dias para considerar outras opções disponíveis no seu melhor interesse. >>>> Consequentemente, a recuperação efectiva dos recursos numéricos >>>> relevantes >>>> ocorrerá após o termo do período de carência. >>>> >>>> Eddy Kayihura >>>> Chief Executive Officer, >>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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