Hi Owen Apologies for top-posting …. but this thread is getting over-long.
I suspect your suppositions are all correct. If they are indeed all correct, then it would appear that Mr Wollner is acting as a proxy for CIL and the questions he raised would be more appropriately raised by CIL - either on this list or before a court? These are NOT general questions or comments about AfriNIC governance (which I will be happy to debate) but rather very specific to the current issue. So, to me this looks like more astroturfing. Mike > On 13 Jul 2021, at 18:55, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Jul 9, 2021, at 04:27 , Mike Silber <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Owen >> >> I was not specifically responding to your comments and in fact I agreed with >> several of them. >> >> Apologies if I did not make it clear. > > OK… It wasn’t clear and I missed that, I guess. In any case, no offense > taken. We’ve been friends for several years and even though we may disagree > from time to time, I know you to be a fellow person of honor who also > consistently tries to do right and act in the interests and service of the > community. > >> The board minutes have improved a lot …. but can use a lot more work. The >> practice of publishing resolutions prior to the minutes being published is >> also a very good practice - though it may not be satisfying to you and >> others, as it lacks some of the detail you seem to seek. > > You get no argument from me on this point. > >> Thank you for confirming that this issue is directly relevant to you (I >> assume as a consultant to Cloud Innovation?). > > Correct. > >> Mr Wollner and others have not been as forthright in disclosing their >> interests …. leading to speculation. > > To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Wollner is CEO of Africa On Cloud, a service > provider in South Africa and a resource member of AFRINIC. > >> My concern about possible hypocrisy related to this list of questions and >> the astroturfing that has succeeded it: >> >>>>>> Which board members agreed to the meeting on short notice? >> >> How does Mr Wollner know it was at short notice? It may have been a regular >> meeting for all he knows. > > I suspect this is speculation due to the timing (Court ruled just the day > before the board met and took this > action). I suppose there is the possibility that the timing was coincidental, > but surely it is not unreasonable > absent other information to assume that the board acting on July 8 in regards > to a court order issued on > July 7 represents a very rapid convening of said board. > >>>>>> 2. Which board members voted in favor of the motion and which >>>>>> against? >> >> This is never disclosed in minutes. Why is it now relevant but was not a >> month or a year ago? > > It should be disclosed on all motions, IMHO. It was relevant a month and a > year ago and I believe i have > raised objection to the lack of this information at several open microphone > sessions. > >>>>>> 3. Who tabled and who seconded the motion? >> >> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be >> provided on an expedited basis? >> >>>>>> 4. What was the nature and extent of deliberations? >> >> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be >> provided on an expedited basis? > > I can’t speak to Paul’s sense of urgency, but given the unprecedented nature > of the situation and the > severity of the consequences, i can say that I would certainly prefer to know > sooner rather than later. > >>>>>> 5. Why the urgency to act so swiftly after the judge set aside the >>>>>> order? >> >> This may appear in the minutes in due course. The minutes are not uniform in >> their level of detail. Why the need for it to be provided on an expedited >> basis? > > Sure. I only hope that AFRINIC will respond with the same sense of urgency > and swiftness of action to the latest order from the courts. > >>>>>> 6. When was the meeting noticed? >> >> This has not appeared in any minutes to date. Why is it now relevant but was >> not a month or a year ago? > > I suspect this isn’t so much about minutes as about understanding how the > meeting was convened and whether proper process was followed in this case of > an apparently urgent meeting. > >>>>>> 7. When did the meeting take place? >> >> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be >> provided on an expedited basis? > > Among other things, depending on the timeline, it may be evidence that > AFRINIC has acted in bad faith and in anticipation of the court order which > had not yet been issued. As such, the community has a clear interest in > verifying this information. > >>>>>> 8. How/where did the meeting take place? >> >> This will appear in the minutes in due course. Why the need for it to be >> provided on an expedited basis? > > I would suspect the same reasons as 7, above. Certainly any board taking such > extraordinary and unprecedented actions so swiftly with such large > consequences to a member of the organization should expect additional > scrutiny of their process from the community/membership, no? >
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