Peter Donald wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:48, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

>Peter Donald wrote:
>
>>Committers have no rights, just privlidges.
>
>What about the right to place a binding vote and propose somebody for
>commit access? aren't they rights?


Anyone can propose somebody for commit access (they may not be able to vote
but that is besides the point) :)


But a "binding vote" is a privlidge. If that privlidge is abused then it
should be reoved. ie Technically I believe I could still vote on Cocoon
(unless 6 months "retiring" has been acted on) when I shouldn't be allowed
to. If I came in and decided that I didn't want cocoon to do something
because;
* I had my own pet xml framework that I wanted to promote above Cocoon
or
* I wanted to hurt some Cocoon committer because they had pissed me off
or
* I wanted to force cocoon to adopt my pet toolkit
or
... ...


And lets also assume I can come up with a valid technical reason (should not
be hard). Do I still get to vote on this? Or to be more precise - should I
get a vote on this?


Or an even simpler example. When the ECM was being developed I pointed out
several design decisions that I believed were mind numbingly stupid. I could
quite easily figure out technical reasons to block its development and I
certainly helped enough to be classified as participating (I suspect me and
leif have been the most active on it over last couple of months). Even then -
do you think I have the "right" to veto changes for some petty vindictive
reasons?


Nope. Voting is definetly a privlidge, not a right. People who abuse it by
using it as a weapon should have their privs yoinked.

Gotcha.

You're right, I was wrong. Voting is definately a priviledge :)

Just one thing, if the voting rules remain the same since I wrote them in the java.apache constitution, technically, only committers can propose a person for commit access.

In practice, there is probably no difference, but I think it's a good statement of IoC there as well and I like it.

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Stefano Mazzocchi                               <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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