I'm looking for the text version of this:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/agreement.html
which is supposedly in text form SOMEWHERE in CVS in some module...
Oh, that cottonpicker. Sent via separate mail. For some reason it's in foundation, and I don't know why it was never released out of there once final.
where in CVS is it? Just for future reference?
All of the above. On the one hand, "because thats the way we've always done it" doesn't invalidate a process that works. It might need to get that written down for some to feel better with it.
On the other hand free speech is cool with me, it should go without saying. 8^) It is customary to abandon working within a system if one exhausts all avenues there, and work outside it. I don't think that's been done here yet. I do realize some folks think they have exhausted all alternatives. That disconnect alone is fertile soil for polarization.
No I think its "openness" vs "closedness".. Saying "exhaust all avenues working in the closed system to see if that achieves the openness you desire" is kinda.... self-contradicting?
I didn't cast this as closed vs. open, nor as closed=bad and open=good, because I think both have proper places in running the show here.
Is this difference more accurately described as "If I can't see it I worry that there's bad juju going on" vs. "If I can see it I can see all the good and bad juju going on"? That seems to be basically a trust issue to me. So maybe we hit the root of all the weirdness at last.
Could it be that we don't trust each other to be working in each others' best interests? I would hope they are common interests or we are SOL. Implementations we can vote on all day, but trust and common direction are either there or they are not.
But for instance Sam is a member and he's a Jakarta/XMLer. Besides I think the trust issue goes both ways... Before this list, I had no idea who most of these people I was trusting were! Only by rumor/reputation and google. So who did I trust? Sam and Stefano. This list is part of the change.. and its already making a difference.
-Andy
Which I guess is basically the part I agreed with... Rather than having a philisophical discussion on it...lets you and I lead by example.. . ;-)
+1.
Gotta get back to work now. But I'll be back.
Chuck
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