Hey Costin, tell me if I'm reading this right: Costin Manolache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/03/2003 05:59:56 AM:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > Collaboration does happen, now. It's not a future waiting to happen. > > > Is there something that's not happening that specifically needs to be > > > looked at? > > > > That's the irony. As far as I can see, most of the build processes could > > converge around Ant and Maven. It isn't hard to see how the domains served > > by Gump and Centipede could be subsumed by Ant and Maven, given the > > additional development that you've told me is already happening. The > > thought behind my earlier question about the PMC, which initiated this > > spiral, was that having Ant and Maven under a PMC would help that effort. > > I tried to stay out of this discussion. > > The points that I care about is where Maven tries to set a standard > that will affect the other build tools. The repository is one example, > the descriptors is the other. > > If the apache community can reach an agreement on base standards - > with the participation of all projects and people who are involved or > care about the build process - then we're fine. And it is even better > if we have multiple tools to support the repo and descriptors and try > to make the build process easy. If one project sets a 'standard' that's a bad thing. If we design by committee, that's ok. > I am worried that Maven will use agressive propaganda and the ASF brand > to compete against Ant. All I've seen so far suggest that. And I think > that would be bad. However - agressive propaganda has a tendency to > backfire, and smart people usually see beyond it. So what is there to worry about? If Maven hypes itself and then falls short of expectations, what the heck, it looks like it's only hurt itself. > I'm talking about all the "landslide move", "all others are crap", > "convert all your projects to maven", the removal of ant build files in > projects to force people to use maven, attacks to persons who are > involved with competing projects, etc ( I know that people learned that > some of those tactics don't work well - and I'm sure I'll see more ) The fact that Maven generates ant build files for use without Maven doesn't help any? > One problem may be that this kind of propaganda may hurt the > ASF brand and all projects involved - competition on "easy to use" > or features or speed is good in itself. If people start hype'ing Maven to the detriment of the ASF, I'm sure someone will step in. FWIW, most of the Maven developers don't want to push Maven onto other developers, and we've actively stayed out of the 'Please give us a proposal as to why we should adopt Maven' discussions. People will either want it or not. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
