Niclas, Perhaps you could explain to the list why you feel it is necessary to air this subject (which was started on a private list) in a semi-public forum like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is your goal in doing this? -Fitz On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 05:45, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Friday 24 September 2004 17:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > > > Could some of the Avalon folks maybe state in a few (!) > > sentences, what is the issue over Avalon / Merlin and the rejected Metro > > proposal? > > "Few" is very difficult :o) > > Regarding the deferred Metro proposal I have a brief summary on; > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=109596375318828&w=2 > > Short story; > We have this simple request for our own (Metro) place to prosper, without the > legacy of bad reputation, hard feelings and heated debates. A place where we > can get on with the development of an exciting new product, that we believe > so much in, and where user showcases indicates true real-world successes. > We are currently 4 very active committers, and 2-3 users that are potential > new committers, and IMHO that should be more than enough, IF it wasn't for > the entire Avalon history (see below). > > > Long story follows, skip if not interested. > <warning> > This is my personal impression of events that have occurred and > interpretation > of them to the best of my limited objective abilities. > </warning> > > The issue in Avalon is very deep, and probably goes as far back as 2002 or > earlier, definately before 'my time' in Avalon. I think it boils down to > this; > > Strong-headed, ambitious and very technically talented people were drawn to > Avalon, possibly by their own dreams of how Avalon should evolve and become. > And this couldn't be resolved on the drawing board. Some wanted a very 'so > called' light-weight system, and others wanted a more robust system. > So, the Container War ensued, where each group (typically one or two people) > forged ahead implementing their ideas, and along the way make strong enemies > with the others, including the incident of Peter Donald's dismissal from > Avalon (and AFAIU the rest of the ASF). Strong-man Berin Loritsch ran out of > steam with Fortress, and Stephen McConnell was the man standing when the dust > settled. From the beginning until now, many great people within ASF, such as > Barozzi, Mazzocchi, Simons, Hammant, Turner, was upset about the war-like > situation and left in disgust (right-fully so). > Left is an active set of committers rallying around Merlin, and the "old > enemies" who insist on creating hindrance whenever opportunity rises. > Left is also a "stamp" on Stephen McConnell, saying that he doesn't work > according to the Apache Way, that he bulldozes his ways through, is not > co-operative, and other negative sentiments regarding his community skills. > Enough so that the Board now declared that he is not fit for _any_ PMC. > > > Cheers > Niclas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
