On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Clever design != feat of engineering. > > Matt > again, unless you have "engineered" a "clever design" I don't think you have much credibility on this. Executing appealing products from an engineering perspective is incredibly hard. What experiences do you have on this front which would suggest otherwise. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 4:26 PM > *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion > *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or > > mechanical engineering. IMHO.. > > > > The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though. > > > > I presume that you have never worked on a team that has built a successful > mainstream consumer product, because if you did, you certainly would not be > able to dismiss their success in this manner. Making things that sell has > very little to do with advertising. "hype" does not just come from nowhere, > as if from the heavens. If crappy products could win based on good > advertising, all that would be required was money and clearly that is not > nearly enough (see Microsoft Vista). > > The bottom line is that best selling tech gadgets, software, and computers > sell to primarily tech savvy people because they like them. They like them, > because the designers and developers have figured out how to make broadly > appealing products. That is hard. If you are suggesting otherwise without > actually having a resume that suggests you have done so yourself, you really > don't have much of an argument. > > Hank > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 1:52 PM > > *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion > > *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: > > Ugliness) > > > > > > If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many > > > intense opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing > > > anyways? > > > > > > > In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and > > engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and > > yes even the physical form factor are all both engineering issues as well as > > marketing issues. Apple is a prime example of this. The beauty of the design > > of their products is all about marketing, but could not be achieved without > > incredible engineering on the electrical, software, and mechanical > > engineering fronts. So I don't think, particularly for a phone, you can > > separate these issues. > > > > Hank > > > > -- > > blog: whydoeseverythingsuck.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > -- > blog: whydoeseverythingsuck.com > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- blog: whydoeseverythingsuck.com
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