Am 22.07.2008 um 02:38 schrieb Lorn Potter: > Tilman Baumann wrote: >> Am 21.07.2008 um 20:08 schrieb Lorn Potter: >> >>> Tilman Baumann wrote: >>>> Yorick Moko wrote: >>>>> This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will >>>>> not >>>>> be the last stupid one I ask :). >>>>> I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest >>>>> builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed. >>>>> Will this improve in the ASU and the 2007.2 or should I not get my >>>>> hopes on? Qtopia just responds and seems to load everything >>>>> faster. >>>> Qtopia has a more integrated aproach. They load plugins for >>>> different >>>> features. (AFAIK) >>>> And the other systems launch new programs for each task. Sometimes >>>> even >>>> based on different frameworks. (e,gtk,qt) >>>> There are ideas how to speed them up. Like pre-loading or >>>> integrating >>>> the basic phone apps into one binary. >>>> >>>> If you want speed now, take qtopia. What you get is a phone. >>>> The other systems go a few steps further... >>> how so? >> >> Well, a almost desktop compliant x11 system with a wide variety of >> frameworks, libs and programming languages. > > It will be hard to achieve a consistent look and feel across all > these toolkits. > Not to mention inter process communication.
Well, yes. Not everything that is possible actually makes sense. But it _can_ be done. > >> Openmoko is by design more something like a mobile computing platform >> wich has GSM too. >> >> I might do qtopia more wrong than is fair. But they modelling just a >> regular smart phone like you can get from most vendors. >> With a very closed (but opensource) framework wich you can develop >> for. >> >> You can not port your garden variety x11 app to qtopia. Which you can >> (almost) do with the other frameworks. > > Any Qt app can be 'ported' easily. Just as with gtk, or efl, or pick- > your-toolkit for any library > that is on the device. > So yes, you _can_ port your garden variety app to Qtopia. It just > needs to be written with one > common toolkit - Qt. Good point actually. > > >> >> And of course the fact that it does not use x11, i expected you to >> know that. ;-) >> >> It really depends, many people like the simple qtopia stack. But i >> did >> not buy my Neo to have a phone that does essentially what any better >> Motorola or Nokia could do too. > > Qtopia is not simple. The ui is (or should be), as that is needed on > these devices that are screen > real estate challenged. It would look great on a motorla razr (or however these things are called today) But i did not find it to fit very well on the extremely large screen resolution and touchpad only input. > > What do the other 'stacks' available for neo do any better? Currently i like the gtk stack (2007.2) best. Btw. I don't say qtopia is bad. I just don't like it very much. (tough it works really well) And Sharp Zaurus is proof that really nice qtopia based systems are doable. And not using x11 is probably a very sane step, if you can live without the portability factor. (That's porting other apps) I just don't like how qtopia looks and feels on openmokos phones. It's just too much as i am used from regular phones. And it's dataaccess layer is the qtopia api (like accessing contacts). I would like this api probably very much if i would code something in qt for qtopia. And i still have a project laying around here where qtopia phoene would fit very well. Maybe i will some day use it. But i want the extreme freedom for my phone not just opensource. And i wand something outrageous and maybe stupidly new and exiting. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
