09-03-2009 10:53:32 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Hey :) Please don't consider my questions or messages as a personal offence. Please. It's just that you're keeping silence on the issues that i consider to be of great importance... You're the frontman of the Paroli project and people are asking you personally about UI design guidelines, targets etc. Imho it's somehow inappropriate to leave all these questions (excluding my rants) unanswered.
09-03-2009 10:55:47 < Mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/about-paroli/ 09-03-2009 10:55:53 < Mirko-paroli: answers any questions about UI design 09-03-2009 10:55:57 < Mirko-paroli: and "guidelines" 09-03-2009 11:11:22 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: greate writeup on the ideas behind application design goals and techniques. But nothing about the actual UI you're going to present your users soon (no ui design mockups, no ui guidelines, i don't see anything like that). You saw the complaints on the community ML, don't you understand why those people are complaining? Moreover, you still don't answer a thing about "the ui design department". If they're part of the project, ... 09-03-2009 11:11:28 > PaulFert`: ... the community is supposed to know them, don't you agree? 09-03-2009 11:12:07 < Mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/launcher/ 09-03-2009 11:12:12 < Mirko-paroli: and click your way through the apps 09-03-2009 11:12:18 < Mirko-paroli: all with "mockups" 09-03-2009 11:17:35 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Looks like the list scrolling will be done by swipes... Are you sure it's a good idea for a resistive touchscreen operated by finger? But you know, the most controversial thing is the "pseudo-fullscreen" (which is technically not fullscreen) mode. Integration aside, is the GUI resizable? If yes, then why not run it under the control of a WM? Why not make it easy switchable? 09-03-2009 11:18:14 < Mirko-paroli: send a patch I'll apply it 09-03-2009 11:18:29 < Mirko-paroli: my day only has so many hours 09-03-2009 11:18:35 < Mirko-paroli: and I have to focus on something 09-03-2009 11:18:42 < Mirko-paroli: right now resizing etc is not my focus 09-03-2009 11:19:44 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair enough. Can you answer the last question about the "design department" please? 09-03-2009 11:20:15 < Mirko-paroli: everyone who is working on paroli influences the ui and the design 09-03-2009 11:20:25 < Mirko-paroli: so if you or anyone else wants to have a say 09-03-2009 11:20:36 < Mirko-paroli: do it as in any other OS project 09-03-2009 11:20:38 < Mirko-paroli: join it 09-03-2009 11:20:45 < Mirko-paroli: earn credit and then use it 09-03-2009 11:23:57 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: to me as the community member it seems like there exist some hidden force that can influence on UI design in non-obvious non-predictable ways. And you don't seem to deny it... Either we talk different languages or i can't formulate questions or you can't answer. :( 09-03-2009 11:24:58 < Mirko-paroli: as I told you last time we talked, questions end in '?' and imho do not contain subtle accusations 09-03-2009 11:26:23 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Does the force that is hidden to the community and can influence ui design decisions ("the OM ui design department") exist? (now is that better?) 09-03-2009 11:27:23 < Mirko-paroli: yes as every other company we also have a ui department, but seen that you know of it it can't be really hidden, right? 09-03-2009 11:29:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I've never seen any letter in the public mailing list from them, nor the list of people (with their names and e-mails) involved. I call it "hidden", i think that corresponds to the dictionary definition. 09-03-2009 11:31:31 < Mirko-paroli: ok if you wanna call that hidden my view is blurred in that sense 09-03-2009 11:31:38 < Mirko-paroli: what's your point? 09-03-2009 11:32:36 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: every force that has an influence on the project must act in a community-transparent way. Is it the case now? 09-03-2009 11:33:15 < Mirko-paroli: why does every force have to act in a "community-transparent way" 09-03-2009 11:33:17 < Mirko-paroli: ? 09-03-2009 11:33:36 < Mirko-paroli: I will not get my gf to write mails whenever she is mad at me and publicize them 09-03-2009 11:33:43 < Mirko-paroli: but it is a force that influences it 09-03-2009 11:33:46 < Mirko-paroli: one among many 09-03-2009 11:36:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair point. But i guess "the ui design department" doesn't influence you in the same way as your gf... Well, i think that's enough. I've got the answers to my questions. Would you mind if i post the script to the community mailing list? 09-03-2009 11:40:32 < Mirko-paroli: actually not really as I am not certain that you won't misrepresent my answers, sorry to have to say that 09-03-2009 11:41:21 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I'd like to send the transcript unaltered, so every sane person will intepret it the right way. 09-03-2009 11:41:54 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: i'll refrain from comments, just the irc session with my and your messages. 09-03-2009 11:42:27 < Mirko-paroli: sounds fair -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list firstname.lastname@example.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community