Sean Billings ha escrito:

> Thank you Antonio The power key also does respond as a reset key on my
> Classic II in combination I think with Control and Shift (I was randomly
> playing while reading your email when I reset my Mac accidentally!),

The combination is Command-Control-Power, I think. And there's an historical 
reason
for it. In the Apple II, the Control-Reset combination really stopped the 
running
program and dropped you to the BASIC or monitor command prompt without 
rebooting,
so you could recover the memory's contents. The "Open Apple"-Control-Reset
combination forced a "warm boot": the computer rebooted just as if you powered 
it
off an on. The "Open Apple" and "Closed Apple" keys were two modifier keys 
located
at the sides of the space bar and used to issue keyboard commands in the same 
way
as the Mac's Command key. Later, when the IIgs incorporated the Command key, it
wasn't put in the keyboard as a separate key, but was combined with the Open 
Apple
key. That's why ADB keyboards have an Apple logo in the Command key.

> so it
> is a separate line as you say but can it still be read by a DA for example?

The key is readable by software, it's obvious. But maybe it's intercepted by the
System or the ROM (in wich case you wouldn't be able to read it from any kind of
software, were it a control panel, a DA, an extension or whatever). The answer
should be in Inside Macintosh, but I do not own a copy... :-\

> As your other post indicated later OS's support it on the same hardware so
> it is only a software or OS issue as far as I can see.

In your case, it seems as it's only an OS issue. It works for me with System 
7.6.3,
and Dylan has said that it also works with 7.5.5. Maybe copying one extension 
from
OS 7.5 into your 7.1 will do the trick. I couldn't tell what extensions to 
try...

John Laughlin ha escrito:

> Yes, if you want to stop the machine from booting, you hit control-reset.
> To do a self-test, you hold down both command and option at the same time
> as hitting control and reset.  Some II+'s can be configured to use only the
> reset key as a break key, in which case, control and reset will reboot the
> machine.

The self test was invoked differently on different models. For example, in the 
//e
and //c (which didn't have Option key), the self test was invoked pressing Open
Apple-Closed Apple-Control-Reset (a really difficult combination!), or pressing
both Open Apple and Closed Apple while powering the computer on. And the II and 
II+
didn't have a built-in self test.

About the "Reset as break key" thing, it is as it was designed in the original 
II
(it didn't reboot the machine but allowed you to debug the program in memory). 
In
the II and the early II+ (the units made before 1980, I think), Reset worked by
itself, without requiring you to press Control. Because the Reset key was 
located
on the very same place where most modern computers have the Delete key (right 
above
the Return key), it was a very frequent problem to press Reset without wanting 
to
and lossing what you were doing or typing. In later revisions that was fixed by
linking Reset to Control by a hardware switch which allowed you to "configure" 
that
feature. The later Open Apple-Control-Reset combination allowed //e and //c 
users
to easily boot a new disk without having to drop to the command prompt and 
keying a
cryptic reboot command (ussually "PR#6" or "6<control-P>"... the easiest things 
to
remember!).

Greetings,

Antonio Rodríguez (Grijan)
<ftp://grijan.cjb.net:21000/>




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