La guerre des VGNs est engagée entre l'ICANN et la France.
En fait la question est soulevée de façon plus générale par la
défense du droit des marques. Le travail que j'ai engagé sous
http://dnsa.org/index.php/TmTLDs parait la seule solution
correspondant aux positions initiales de l'ICANN et de l'OMPI.
1. attribuer des variantes alphabetiques pour chaque classe de marque
2. accepter les marques génériques sous le TLD de la classe, ex: champagne.vin
3. accepter les marques selon les règles de propriété industrielles
de chaque pays. ex: mmum.fr.vin.
Sinon, nous allons simplement documenter comment supporter la DN
CLASS "FR" de l'internet Français en plus de la classe "IN" de
l'internet américain. Rappelons-nous que le DNS peut supporter 45.000
fichiers racine (comme celui de l'ICANN) ouverts à tous, et des
milliards de fichiers racine privés.
L'histoire du "fichier racine autoritatif unique" n'est qu'un n-ième
mensonge d'Etat américain. Comme les armes de destruction massives de
Saddam Hussein. Le plus "amusant" est qu'un document politique de
référence en vigueur de l'ICANN l'explique et réclame de
l'expérimenter (depuis plus de 10 ans), détaillant comment faire pour
que cela ne la gène pas
(https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/unique-authoritative-root-2012-02-25-en).
Mais il faut le lire, le titre du document donnant à croire l'inverse :-)
Je cite pour ceux qui ne s'en souvienne pas :
http://sv2b.net/index.php/Appel_%C3%A0_une_exp%C3%A9rimentation_de_l%27%C3%A9volution_du_DNS";
Ci-joint pour l'info et le fun des échanges sur la liste ICANN de la
transition NTIA ICANN.
Qui veut monter un Root (FR) avec moi ? On supportera ".beaujolais"
jfc
At 12:50 22/06/2014, michael gurstein wrote:
June 22, 2014 10:38 am
France lashes out at internet naming body Icann
By Hugh Carnegy in Paris
France has launched a strong attack on the US-based international body that
governs internet addresses, calling its decision-making "totally opaque" and
saying a move to assign domain names for wine could threaten talks on a new
transatlantic trade deal.
Paris will demand a big shake-up of Icann - the Internet Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers - at a meeting of its government advisory
committee in London on Monday, calling for a bigger say for states in its
governance.
France's anger has been triggered by a decision this year by Icann to go
ahead with the launch of the two domain names .vin and .wine, which critics
say could undermine international agreements on so-called geographical
indicators that restrict the use of labels, such as champagne and other
area-specific wines and foods.
FT paywall
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/828ad97c-f94a-11e3-bb9d-00144feab7de.html#axzz35MZvsOdE
France's anger has been triggered by a decision this year by Icann
to go ahead with the launch of the two domain names .vin and .wine,
which critics say could undermine international agreements on
so-called geographical indicators that restrict the use of labels,
such as champagne and other area-specific wines and foods.
The European Commission, France, the UK and Spain have all appealed
to Icann to halt the procedure on the two domain names unless
safeguards for geographical indicators are assured.
But France has linked the issue to the broader question of how Icann
is structured and governed.
"The problem is it is totally opaque, there is no transparency at
all in the process," Axelle Lemaire, minister for digital affairs,
told the Financial Times.
In a letter to Manuel Barroso, European Commission head, this month,
Ms Lemaire and two senior ministers argued that the domain names
could prejudice EU-US trade talks in which France and other
countries are anxious to preserve geographical indicator rights.
These stop, for example, American producers calling sparkling wine
champagne, or blue cheese Roquefort.
"These decisions could imperil the current talks on the
transatlantic [trade] partnership by forcing the imposition of a
model by the means of technical discussions on internet naming," they wrote.
Their worry is that a private company which acquired the domain
names could market products via, for example, a "champagne.wine"
website that were not authentic champagne, without legal recourse.
Ms Lemaire also wrote this month to the Icann board saying the
domain name process threatened to "undermine confidence in your organisation".
The US agreed this year to give up its ultimate control of Icann
exercised through the commerce department, but Ms Lemaire made clear
France wants to go further, seeking to rally support for a global
conference on its overhaul.
Paris wants it set up under international law with a redefined
mission and overseen by a "general assembly" of stakeholders that
would include governmental representation on a "one country, one
vote" basis, Ms Lemaire said.
In her letter to the Icann board she wrote: "The lack of adequate
redress mechanisms and, above all, the lack of accountability
demonstrate the need for significant reform of Icann even before the
current debate on the global internet governance system comes to a conclusion."
Icann, founded in 1998, is a non-profit making organisation grouping
private sector, public sector and technical interests in what it
calls a "bottom-up, consensus-driven, multi-stakeholder model".
Three years ago, Icann decided to lift most restrictions on the
naming of top level domains. It has since received applications for
almost 2,000 new domains and has already delegated about 300 of
them, including .beer,london and .luxury. Among the new domains are
ones using non-Latin characters such as Arabic and Chinese.
The process has not been without controversy. Some corporations are
worried that they will need to spend large amounts of money buying
addresses in the new domains in order to protect their trademarks
from cybersquatters or fraudsters.
Others are worried about the potential consequences of generic terms
such as .search or .music falling under the control of a single
corporation. Google and Amazon are among 13 organisations competing
for the domain .app.
Additional reporting by Robert Cookson in London
At 17:59 22/06/2014, Michel S. Gauthier wrote:
it is likely that ICANN and IETF will die from the NTIA retirement
after the fragmentation of the technology acknowldged by RFC 6852.
This will not happen in one single day with an happy off-the-shelf
replacement since no one prepared it. The ".wine" and ".vin" show
how uncoordinated ICANN is with WTC, WIPO, GAC, users, etc. (Please
consider the DNSA work on the matter http://dnsa.org/index.php/TmTLDs).
We therefore head towards rough times for ICANN until a transition
is completed. It is a good thing to have a professionl at the helm,
who is able to better explain than Steve Crocker or other BoD
Members, and who has good ties with this list.
At 21:24 22/06/2014, Barry Shein wrote:
Not intended as any comment on this particular issue I've long said to
others involved that one of these days "adults" are going to show up
at this party.
It looks like it's finally happening.
So much for the wannabe academics, policy wonks, and trust fund babies
running the show...
(Milton: oh stop it -- you are an actual academic.)
Barry Shein
The World | [email protected] | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada
Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
At 21:27 22/06/2014, Barry Shein wrote:
From: Pranesh Prakash <[email protected]>
>When someone says access to <public utility> should be free, they do not
>mean that providing access to <public utility> doesn't cost money (often
>borne by taxpayers or corporations). They mean that access to <public
>utility> should be free.
>
>I don't necessarily agree with this viewpoint. But it doesn't help to
>argue whether there are costs associated with <public utility> when no
>one is making an argument that there are no costs associate with <public
>utility>.
Exactly, what I was trying to say but well put. Thank you.
Without such definitions and boundaries the discussion takes on a
sophomoric tone.
Barry Shein
The World | [email protected] | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada
Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
At 21:59 22/06/2014, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
I seriously doubt that any court will see a difference between
champagne.com, champagne.fr and champagne.vin when it comes
to protecting the designation of wines from Champagne. This is
just more of the huffing and puffing we've seen for the last 15
years; I don't see it as a sign of real change.
On 22/06/2014 20:11, Patrik Fältström wrote:
each RFC that sets the rules IANA is to follow.
Well, most of them are clear .
But indeed, you are correct to remind us that there is a lot of
detailed work behind the externally smooth running of the IETF-defined
registries, and there's continued technical debate about even the
oldest ones such as the port registry (which is considerably older
than the IETF itself). So we shouldn't be surprised that there is
still debate about the TLD and address registry policies too. It
would be worrying if there was no debate. What is unusual about
the TLD registry is that the debate has become a political football.
Brian
At 18:28 22/06/2014, John Curran wrote:
You don't have to make use of these default parameter coordination
arrangements
when doing your own communications, but be advised that many, many folks find
that these arrangements are very convenient; one might even argue that these
IANA registry arrangements have had a foundational role in the success of the
Internet that we all enjoy today.
This is what the US VGN is.
M S G
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