At the Cotsen Open 1.5 years ago SlugGo beat an 8k, and lost on time to his 8k brother, but the board position was a win by more than 100 points for SlugGo. But I agree that 10k is about right; SlugGo also lost to a few 12k players.

I also agree that picking up 4 stones seems within reach, even though I have not quite pulled that off ... yet.

To beat any pro player is going to take a breakthrough and probably a new method. It is just a little early to tell if MC is that method, but it seems to scale well, so it may be. If the required new method is not MC, then it is impossible to know when that breakthrough will happen, because by its nature, it is not going to simply evolve out of what we are doing now, but requires some new insight.

Cheers,
David



On 23, Jan 2007, at 10:17 PM, Ray Tayek wrote:

the programs seem to be about 10-kyu (based on my observations of slugo and smart go at the cotsen open and manyfaces on my pc). 32gb/ 300 mhz is probably about 3gb/3ghz. so they can beat some 11-kyu humans.

my suspicion is that the programs could play a few (4?) stones stronger with better heuristics and less brute force (except in the end game).

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