Yes! You are write. I haven't mentioned this. It's a good idea to swap
them all in the form that black has the move-right. Thank you!

I'll fix that. But not today ;)

If you find any inconsistencies in the data please let me know!

By the way: I forgot to cut the file at the end. You should only use
the values of pattern with an ID < 0x40000.

ÁB> Thanks for the file! This should be very helpful when I try to reproduce 
results.

ÁB> It looks like you are not taking advantage of symmetries. For instance,
ÁB> 88|0|17.033168
ÁB> 88|1|12.263955

ÁB> and
ÁB> 164|0|17.388714
ÁB> 164|1|25.862695

ÁB> Are identical except for swapping the roles of white and
ÁB> black (88 == 1120 in base 4, 164 == 2210 in base 4), and therefore
ÁB> they should have the same scores. If you do take symmetries of
ÁB> this type into consideration, you #39;ll reduce the number of
ÁB> gamma values you have to compute by a factor of almost 16 (8
ÁB> symmetries in the D4 group, times 2 colors). This should result in
ÁB> faster learning and better estimates.

ÁB> Álvaro.


ÁB> On Dec 6, 2007 4:28 AM, Lars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ÁB> While you can find the gamma-values of non-shape patterns in the paper
ÁB> of Remi, I can give you the list of shape-pattern gamma-values.

ÁB> The source-code is mixed with my engine-code, which i don #39;t like to
ÁB> publish. But the algorithm is more or less easy to implement..

ÁB> I #39;ll try to attach the file to this mail, if it don #39;t work I send 
it to
ÁB> your address.

ÁB> The file have the following coding:
ÁB> It #39;s a text-file with one pattern each line.
ÁB> Lines look as:
ÁB> Pattern-ID|Move-right(0=black, 1=white)|gamma-value\n

ÁB> The Pattern-IDs have the following coding:
ÁB> In the binary representation of the ID you have 2 Bits for every field.
ÁB> So you have 18 Bits at all.
ÁB> 00 = Empty, 01 = Black, 02 = White, 03 = Edge
ÁB> The pairs are ordered as:
ÁB> 1 2 3
ÁB> 4 5 6
ÁB> 7 8 9
ÁB> in the ID it is
ÁB> 123456789

ÁB> While you can rotate and mirror the patterns only one respresentation of
ÁB> the various possible representations is contained in the file.

>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007 3:17 PM, Lars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>         Thank you for your explanations!
>>         You were right, it was a bug, and now it works really fine.
>>
>> Are you (or Remi) willing to publish any of the following?
>> 1. Source code for extracting ELO ratings for moves
>> 2. Full list of gamma values, including patterns
>>
>>
>> Either of those would help kick start those of us that are just
>> starting to go down a similar road.
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