Alain Baeckeroot wrote: > Le samedi 12 janvier 2008, Olivier Teytaud a écrit : > >> [game against MoGo and a professional player] >> >> >>>> It will be the MPI version of mogo, and in various board-sizes. >>>> >>> What handicap, if any? >>> >> I don't know yet. >> > > There is lot of room to show improvements. JL Gaily reports > games with more than 20 handicap gained by humans: > http://gailly.net/go.html (in section computer go) > > So playing with 9 handi may not be enought, but i bet that > Mogo (or crazystone or other very strong MC) can win very > strong players with 13 handi (with optimal placement = ala > japanese :-) > > Anyone want to bet ? > No bets, but my prediction is that Mogo will do better than you predict. But I can only guess.
It's not very clear to me how strong Mogo is at 19x19. I have no idea. There are also a lot of unknowns in this match: 1. How strong is the pro? 2. What is time-control? 3. How much computing power? 4. Has Mogo improved at all? Is it being tuned now for this match? Not enough historical data to do anything but take wild guesses. My experience in computer chess over the years, however, is that humans get routinely over-estimated - sometimes to near god-like status. This happens (in my opinion) because humans are indeed substantially better, and human nature is to romanticize (exaggerate) this difference. I would like to see a very long 19x19 match where stones get added or removed based on the result of the previous game - just to give a rough sense of where the computer is. It could start with a substantial handicap such as 9 stones and then adjust from there. I'm more interested in the small boards working up. If we can't master 9x9 we won't do well at 19x19. We should achieve a clear 2-3 dan strength or more at one board size, then move to the next size. - Don > Alain > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
