On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: > I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to > get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;)
if You want something really weak, You may compile this thing: https://github.com/nescitus/mygobot It is based on Brown and uses pure Monte Carlo (no tree search) + excludes some patterns. To run it, You would have to set number of playouts in get_ai_move() and disable debug information, setting useDebug to DEBUG_NONE. 2015-03-09 11:01 GMT+01:00, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > Send Computer-go mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Computer-go digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. The number of legal 18x18 Go positions is ... (John Tromp) > 2. Re: Observing a game in GoGui that's running on KGS/CGOS > (Rémi Coulom) > 3. Re: Observing a game in GoGui that's running on KGS/CGOS > (Urban Hafner) > 4. Weak bots to run on CGOS (Urban Hafner) > 5. Re: Weak bots to run on CGOS (Erik van der Werf) > 6. Re: Weak bots to run on CGOS (Urban Hafner) > 7. Re: Weak bots to run on CGOS (Petr Baudis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:44:03 -0400 > From: John Tromp <[email protected]> > To: computer-go <[email protected]> > Subject: [Computer-go] The number of legal 18x18 Go positions is ... > Message-ID: > <caou__fybpuix06mtbaurkvn+rwejs2-q+mcwfjqikd3gtmg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 669723114288829212892740188841706543509937780640178732810318337696945624428547218105214326012774371397184848890970111836283470468812827907149926502347633 > > More details at http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html, > including a call for volunteers to contribute computing power for > determining what we all want to know, the number of 19x19 positions. > > regards, > -John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:12:00 +0100 > From: Rémi Coulom <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Observing a game in GoGui that's running on > KGS/CGOS > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > gogui-display: > http://gogui.sourceforge.net/doc/reference-display.html > > On 03/08/2015 10:04 AM, Urban Hafner wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> >> I'd like to display some statistics from my bot as an overlay for the >> current board. Using live graphics on GoGui is probably the easiest >> way to do it. I just need to run the bot in GoGui and emit the proper >> commands on stderr. >> >> Now my question is if there's a way to do that for games that are >> being played on CGOS or KGS. I'm wondering if this is possible with >> just GoGui and the tools it provides. After all you can pass >> gogui-twogtp as the "program" to GoGui and observe a game played by >> two bots. Is there maybe a possible combination of GoGui commands to >> have GoGui somehow "in the middle" between the CGOS/KGS client and the >> bot? That way I imagine the commands on stderr could be displayed in >> GoGui while the other stuff passes right through to the client. >> >> Urban >> -- >> Blog: http://bettong.net/ >> Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh >> Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:53:34 +0100 > From: Urban Hafner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Observing a game in GoGui that's running on > KGS/CGOS > Message-ID: > <cahmxpnkvspj56omsqnt7zyxqfzbwwc78fv-5fequnt_h1jd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that it! > > Thank you, Rémi. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Rémi Coulom <[email protected]> wrote: > >> gogui-display: >> http://gogui.sourceforge.net/doc/reference-display.html >> >> >> On 03/08/2015 10:04 AM, Urban Hafner wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to display some statistics from my bot as an overlay for the >>> current board. Using live graphics on GoGui is probably the easiest way >>> to >>> do it. I just need to run the bot in GoGui and emit the proper commands >>> on >>> stderr. >>> >>> Now my question is if there's a way to do that for games that are being >>> played on CGOS or KGS. I'm wondering if this is possible with just GoGui >>> and the tools it provides. After all you can pass gogui-twogtp as the >>> "program" to GoGui and observe a game played by two bots. Is there maybe >>> a >>> possible combination of GoGui commands to have GoGui somehow "in the >>> middle" between the CGOS/KGS client and the bot? That way I imagine the >>> commands on stderr could be displayed in GoGui while the other stuff >>> passes >>> right through to the client. >>> >>> Urban >>> -- >>> Blog: http://bettong.net/ >>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh >>> Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Computer-go mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/36ed7322/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:08:04 +0100 > From: Urban Hafner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS > Message-ID: > <CAHmXpNk=qMi_cF0EvfXgVz67+NtqGX_wJ4w8o=8qwzkx+xs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey everyone, > > I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to > get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So > bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against > Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that > are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in > that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. > > Urban > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/40484f63/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:35:43 +0100 > From: Erik van der Werf <[email protected]> > To: computer-go <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS > Message-ID: > <cakkggrn5p-nzeitevznbaji-tpxb+biyfcxv2rgrhxri-u6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Perhaps AmiGo > > http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> >> I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly >> to >> get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So >> bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against >> Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that >> are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in >> that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. >> >> Urban >> -- >> Blog: http://bettong.net/ >> Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh >> Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:55:23 +0100 > From: Urban Hafner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS > Message-ID: > <CAHmXpNmeOw9Y6ZXB=uwmqnaz_6jopysc_xfardubo4snb_j...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Erik! Yes, that will work. > > Urban > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erik van der Werf <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> Perhaps AmiGo >> >> http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hey everyone, >> > >> > I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly >> to >> > get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) >> So >> > bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against >> > Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots >> > that >> > are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots >> in >> > that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. >> > >> > Urban >> > -- >> > Blog: http://bettong.net/ >> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh >> > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Computer-go mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/54f6a47a/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 11:01:51 +0100 > From: Petr Baudis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: >> I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly >> to >> get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So >> bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against >> Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that >> are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in >> that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. > > What about libego? That used to be a pretty basic MCTS. > > Or you could try running a "super-weak Pachi": > >> Pachi can be used as a test opponent for development of other go-playing >> programs. For example, to get the "plainest UCT" player, use: >> >> ./pachi -t =5000 >> policy=ucb1,playout=light,prior=eqex=0,dynkomi=none,pondering=0,pass_all_alive > (see "Experiments and Testing" section in README for more details) > > This is plain UCT with light playouts and no move priors. If you just > implemented the basic algorithms, your program should be equal or better > than this. > > (Of course you can then gradually enable some pieces, or even just > some of the priors/playout heuristics. I'd recommend implementing, in > the order of priority, captures and 3x3 patterns in playouts, priors for > the same in the tree, and RAVE. Don't bother tuning things too much > before having RAVE as that is a big game-changer; but it probably won't > work well without at least the playout heuristics I mentioned.) > > -- > Petr Baudis > If you do not work on an important problem, it's unlikely > you'll do important work. -- R. Hamming > http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > ------------------------------ > > End of Computer-go Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 > ****************************************** > _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
