Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating.
Any idea what happens for unrated bots? Do they end up somewhere at the bottom, or are they rejected? Erik On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > A problem with McMahon is that the bots would all need KGS ratings. I > can't assign ratings myself, the scheduler uses the ratings assigned by > KGS. In the five tournaments held so far this year, there are sixteen bots > that have competed at least once: eight have been rated, eight not. > > Nick > > On 9 May 2016 at 22:16, Erik van der Werf <erikvanderw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in >> human Go tournaments. >> >> IMO KGS Swiss is pretty boring for most of the time, and the scheduler >> often seems to have a lot of undesired influence on the final ranking. Also >> at this point I'm really not that interested any more to see some top >> engine win yet another bot tournament without serious competition; I'd be >> more interested to see how many stones they could give to the rest. >> Wouldn't it be fun to see how many stones AlphaGo could give to CS? >> >> E. >> >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:29 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Gian-Carlo, >>> >>> I have thought carefully about your question on >>> determinning handicaps properly. >>> It seems you are very right with your doubts >>> >>> > The first obvious question is then: how will you determine the >>> handicaps? >>> >>> A naive approach would be to take the KGS ranks of the bots. >>> But even for those who really have this may be a problem. Namely, >>> the program may use other/stronger hardware in the tournament, >>> or may have made a jump in performance without playing openly >>> on KGS. >>> >>> > As to the "large gaps in strength": the actual rating of Zen is >>> > 1 stone above abakus, which is 1 stone above HiraBot. That seems >>> > to conflict with your classification. >>> >>> Yes, but only according to KGS ranks. My impression yesterday was >>> that Zen has made another jump in performance and is now more >>> an 8-dan than a 7-dan. But this is indeed only a personal opinion >>> and can not be taken for "serious" handicapping. >>> >>> Concerning abakus and Hirabot, it is indeed my opinion that they >>> are at most 1 stone apart of each other. >>> >>> In total: my handicap idea seems not to be practicable. >>> >>> Ingo. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Computer-go mailing list >>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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