On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:12 PM, steve uurtamo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This is WAY MORE than just alpha/beta and counting pieces. >> > > Keep in mind what the original question was about -- why is one so much > further along strength-wise than the other, or what it is that makes the two > games different from a machine-attacking point of view. > > Sure, chess programs will continue to be developed, but the time when > non-grandmasters could have a reasonable chance of beating even an > open-source program from a few years ago has long since passed. It's > arguable that the time when grandmasters could have a reasonable chance has > long since passed as well, but that's not required for this point. The point > is that go programs are not at this same level, and that the chess approach > does not work on a go board with go stones and the rules of go, and that as > far as the current approaches are concerned, go appears to be a "harder" > game. > > Nobody doubts that chess improvements happen every day, but they certainly > aren't required to continually crush humans at chess. > Why are you comparing humans to computers? It's ridiculous to measure progress by comparing to the top human players. What we care about is how much progress we can make from year to year. Here is how we can judge our progress. Go back 30 years and get the best go program available and compare it to the best GO program of today. Play 1000 games and tell us what the score is. Then let's have a discussion on whether we are making progress or not. I think what is happening here is that we are so shortsighted we don't look more than 2 weeks ago and think that is representative of what is actually going on. In Dave's case we took a look 40 years ago and forgot to look again. > > s. > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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