The trend appears to be toward heavier (slower because of more Go knowledge) playouts in the top programs.
2010/10/31 steve uurtamo <[email protected]>: > right. > > the point is that it is a bit more subtle than the two cases that > you've described. to answer simply, with the right kind of go > knowledge, the 10,000 game machine seems, in practice, to be much > stronger. > > the reason is pretty straightforward: a "universal" solver that could > work for any game without knowledge beyond how to make legal moves > won't be as strong, for a fixed time limit game, as something that can > use game knowledge. the extra game knowledge can avoid, on average, > exploring some silly moves. determining what is silly enough to be > worth checking for and what isn't is hard, of course. > > this can be formalized. > > s. > > 2010/10/31 Петр Смолов <[email protected]>: >> I would like to know which program will be stronger: the one with a million >> pure random games or the one with 10 000 games, but these games will not be >> pure random... >> >> >>> are you asking which converges faster asymptotically? >>> there is always either a move that creates a winning situation, or no >>> winning move. for every board position. so trivially the second. >>> practically, however, i think that a mixture of randomness and smart >>> go knowledge is what is used in the best programs. >>> s. >>> 2010/10/31 Петр Смолов <[email protected]>: >>> > Hello all! >>> > >>> > How do you think what is better: maximim number of simulations (with pure >>> random games) or much less simulations (but the games are not played >>> randomly, >>> in other words, the program tries to implement a certain move ordering in >>> each >>> game, and of course it takes much more time) ? >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Computer-go mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
