Hi Brian, All,
I have stopped development of this pending Beta testers. Since I made
the last release I did some beta-testing myself and have some
unpublished improvements, but really need people with Windows Vista and
Windows 7 machines to give the pack a go so that we can knock the
corners off it.
If there is some problem with downloading the pack please let me know
and I can try to rectify the problem. Clearly the standard engines only
help stabilise the CGOS rating system during the periods that you kind
people are running the engines. I have been busy recently, but whenever
I've checked in, nobody else has been running them. I have perhaps done
something wrong in preparing the pack that I've put almost all of you
off form using it. I do apologise.
I fully believe that there is a desire to strengthen the CGOS ranking
system by the presence of standard engines, because several of you
contributed valuable ideas. Don has kindly changed the way the server
works to allow us to do this, but I think I have let you down and
produced a pack that is not being used. Whilst I'm writing this e-mail,
I hope to ask what the main reasons are that people aren't using the
engines? Here are some ideas I've had, but please do tell me why you
personally would rather not donate some of your computing resources to
running the engine pack:
1) I don't have easy access to any Windows machines that I could run the
standard engine pack on
2) I am concerned that my hardware will not be able to cope with running
the standard engines - not enough attention has been paid to ensuring it
will run on slower hardware
3) The pack doesn't include my favourite engine
4) I want to download the "Heavy" engines, but don't have a 7-zip client
and don't know where to get one
5) I hadn't realised that nobody was running the pack, I had hoped that
somebody else would run it - please tell me how I can help
6) The packs are too big - my internet connection won't handle the size
of download you have created
7) Not all of the engines are open source - I like to read the source
code of any application I run on my machine
8) It is not straightforward enough to download and run the pack - I
don't have enough time - could you make it easier?
9) Other (please state)
Thanks in advance for any feedback, and apologies again (especially to
Don) for not providing you guys with a usable solution.
Raffles
PS whilst I am e-mailing may I say what a great privilege it is to read
everyone's comments on this list - a hugely valuable group, thanks!
On 11/01/2011 01:41, Brian Sheppard wrote:
Maybe I confused you with the term "standard." There is a page devoted
to engines that meet certain criteria:
http://computergo.wikispaces.com/CGOS+Standard+Engine+Packs
Orego is not among those engines. I am not sure why.
Brian
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*From:* [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Peter Drake
*Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2011 5:34 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released
I thought it already was one. What is the obstacle?
(I don't have a spare machine to run it on, but anyone else is welcome
to do so.)
Peter Drake
http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ <http://www.lclark.edu/%7Edrake/>
On Jan 10, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Brian Sheppard wrote:
Is it now possible to make Orego into a "standard opponent" on CGOS?
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]*On Behalf Of*Oliver Lewis
*Sent:*Monday, January 10, 2011 12:46 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [Computer-go] Orego 7.08 released
Thanks Peter. I started using Orego for some of my experiments 2-3
years ago (version 3 I think) and I always found it very accessible,
particularly as I'm not a strong programmer. I'd recommend it to
anyone, whether you want to experiment with MCTS or other types of
evaluation.
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Peter Drake <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The latest version of Orego can be found here:
https://webdisk.lclark.edu/drake/orego/orego-7.08.jar
I've spent some time cleaning up the code; this version is
particularly well-documented and devoid of dead-end experiments.
Anyone who wants to start experimenting with computer Go in Java
should find it particularly useful.
I'll be happy to answer any questions about setting it up and using
Orego.
Peter Drake
http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ <http://www.lclark.edu/%7Edrake/>
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