>Right, Tom, the only thing is that, given the information that Tony
>provided, the pingback doesn't prove anything one way or the other because
>we don't know where the response came from--he didn't say. Maybe it was from
>localhost and he just didn't notice it, which would indicate that Vista
>-was- working right and that the problem -was- somewhere else. 

The ping response will indicate the IP address of the responder so there 
should be no ambiguity. Do you really think he is such a noob as to not 
read the screen?

>Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but you don't really know, do you?

I'm not a Vista user so I don't get so metaphysical about how my computer 
operates. I don't accept maybes. It either works or it doesn't work. I 
understand why MS is spending big bucks to sow seeds of doubt with their 
"Maybe Vista is not a piece of crap" campaign, but I don't buy it. It is 
just PR.

>And even if it -did- ping the real yahoo server, that only exonerates
>Firefox. Your bland assertion to the contrary notwithstanding, it absolutely
>-could- be "something else", like AV software that's running all the time
>and has its nasty tendrils stuck into every crevice of the OS.

True. Using an OS that requires AV software is certainly boneheaded and 
the source of many problems that are hard to track down. I don't 
recommend it. If the OS requires AV software and the AV software causes 
problems isn't the fundamental problem that the OS requires AV software? 
Knowing that this is the case should not the the OS vendor take steps to 
assure that it will work well with the required AV software? Or take 
steps so that the AV software would not be required?

Would running the ping test in Safe Mode be a good idea?


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