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1. Re: Disgusting thread... ;-)
From: Remi Villatel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: Question about word-initial velar nasal
From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:13:35 +0100
From: Remi Villatel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disgusting thread... ;-)
B. Garcia wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:04:53 -0500, Pascal A. Kramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Well, I've always used "disgust" simply for "not-like", not going even
>>remotely close to "Ekel, Abscheu" (for which I generally use "loathe", or
>>also "repulse"), and never had any problems in understanding, until now...
> Well, you're using it wrong. Ask any _native_ English speaker and
> they'll most likely tell you that you're using it wrong. It's likely
> that people have "allowed" you to use it the way you have because they
> didn't want to seem rude and correct you, or that they thought you
> really hated something that strongly.
>>Apparently, this word is perceived quite differently by different people.
Apparently, Pascal lives very close from the french border... Maybe that's
where is first name comes from? ;-)
That's very common in French to use "to be disgusted" to mean "to not like".
Ch'uis d�go�t� d'la vie. [SHi: degute dlavi:]
= **I'm disgusted by the life.
= I don't like what happened to me. (or) Life is unfair.
C'est d�gueu', l'prof m'a coll� une sale note.
= **That's disgusting; the teacher gave me a very bad grade.
= I don't like the grade the teacher gave me.
"d�gueu" [deg2] is the shortcut for "d�gueulasse" [deg2las] which is the
(formerly) unpolite form of "d�go�tant" (disgusting).
T'es d�gueulasse ! Pourquoi t'l'as frapp� ?
= **You're disgusting! Why did you hit him?
= I don't like that you hit him. Why did you do it?
Nowadays most french people think that "d�go�tant" is not strong enough to
mean "r�pugnant" (repugnant) which they use instead when they mean to be
polite. Otherwise they also use "d�gueulasse" which has the same roots as
"d�gueuler" (to puke).
So if I see a dead animal spread all over the road in front of my car:
C'est d�geulasse (or) r�pugnant !
= That's disgusting!
It's just a matter of tone of voice... and context.
Yet Another Natlang Thread? ;-)
ji ka�t�lu soe, [ji: ka.CtO4u so^e] (one soon until)
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 02:31:38 +0000
From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question about word-initial velar nasal
Danny Wier wrote at 2004-10-24 06:38:00 (-0500)
> From: "Tim May"
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> >
> > Incidentally, what languages _do_ allow /N/ initally? Offhand, I can
> > only think of Vietnamese and Tibetan, and it's a tricky thing to look
> > up.
>
> Some of these have already been mentioned by others, so pardon the
> redundancy. These I know for sure:
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> Albanian, and I have no idea how that happened.
Really? How is this indicated in Albanian writing? I've just been
looking into the language, and I can't see any mention of it.
> Celtic languages (Breton, Welsh, Irish and Scots Gaelic), but as a result of
> nasal mutation of initial velar stops.
> Vietnamese
> Tagalog and other Philippine languages
> Samoyedic languages like Nganasan (as the name implies)
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