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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Rodlox R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. an invented language of numbers and music
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Rodlox R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Jonathan Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. Re: fruitbats
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:59:09 -0500
From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
specialise on fruit?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:29:30 +0000
From: Rodlox R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
>From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
>Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:59:09 -0500
>
>What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
>specialise on fruit?
yes to both.
they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't related to
foxes...aside from both being mammals)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:21:20 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
Rodlox wrote:
> >From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
> >specialise on fruit?
>
> yes to both.
>
> they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't related to
> foxes...aside from both being mammals)
Right-- they are quite large, at least like a very big housecat with wings;
they have a very dog-like (well, fox-like) face, with a longish snout, dark
brownish fur.....at least the ones I saw in Indonesia. They seem very
social, hang around in treetops, and make a dreadful racket. The ones I saw
were in the daytime and seemed quite active, but I don't know whether
they're also nocturnal, like real bats.
My Indo. dictionary has _kalong_ 'flying fox', probably the Javanese form of
_keluang_ (though that is defined as 'a large bat')
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:18:00 +1100
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: an invented language of numbers and music
Hi all,
>From the fourth page of a slideshow article on
Obsessive Drawing at
http://www.slate.com/id/2129633/?nav=ais
(follow the link to see a sample of Benefiel's work) -
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Charles Benefiel's "Random Numeric Repeater"
drawings use a private language of dots and circles.
As the show's helpful wall text explains, Benefiel
uses dots and circles to represent numbers and
sounds. He assigns a symbol and a sound to each
number, so that "one equals a dot equals the sound
'ba'; four equals a circle equals the sound 'da.' "
And so forth. As he draws the symbols, Benefiel
pronounces the syllables and counts the correspond-
ing numbers, creating a unique amalgam of music,
visual art, and math. This invented language, he be-
lieves, militates against the way our culture uses
numbers on passports, driver's licenses, and Social
Security cards to codify identity. Diagnosed with
obsessive-compulsive disorder, Benefielwho was
born in 1967 and currently makes his home in Pitts-
burghhas found that his art helps him to control
and transcend his OCD.
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I had wondered whether there was something mildly
obsessive about the way I follow newsgroups, make
music, and make pictures. Now I'm beginning to see
the light ...!
Regards,
Yahya
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:08:27 +0000
From: Rodlox R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
>From: Roger Mills <>
>Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
>Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:21:20 -0500
hi.
>
>Rodlox wrote:
> > >From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
> > >specialise on fruit?
> >
> > yes to both.
> >
> > they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't related to
> > foxes...aside from both being mammals)
>brownish fur.....at least the ones I saw in Indonesia.
I consider you to be very lucky - you got to go there.
>They seem very
>social, hang around in treetops, and make a dreadful racket.
if I may ask, what do they sound like?
>The ones I saw
>were in the daytime and seemed quite active, but I don't know whether
>they're also nocturnal, like real bats.
they can be...but if its daytime when they smell fruit that's ripe, they'll
fly towards it.
(granted, my information on them is soley from books and tv programs)
>My Indo. dictionary has _kalong_ 'flying fox', probably the Javanese form
>of
>_keluang_ (though that is defined as 'a large bat')
do they eat flying foxes? if so, do they add to kalong/keluang, or is
"cooked bat" a separate word?
*curious*
thanks.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:47:53 -0800
From: Jonathan Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
on 11/9/05 10:59 AM, Yann Kiraly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
> specialise on fruit?
Both.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:15:09 +1100
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Roger Mills wrote:
>
> Rodlox wrote:
> > >From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
> > >specialise on fruit?
> >
> > yes to both.
> >
> > they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't related to
> > foxes...aside from both being mammals)
>
> Right-- they are quite large, at least like a very big housecat with
wings;
> they have a very dog-like (well, fox-like) face,
I'd call them bat-like ... :-)
> ... with a longish snout, dark
> brownish fur.....at least the ones I saw in Indonesia. They seem very
> social, hang around in treetops, and make a dreadful racket.
The Royal Botanic gardens in Melbourne, Australia,
where I live, has a problem with fruitbats. They have
colonised many of the taller trees, including some rare
exotic palms that are over a hundred years old. Many
attempts have been made to dislodge them, or reduce
their numbers, but since they are endemic, there has
been great reluctance to cull them. One of the earlier
attempts was to relocate them - but they just flew
back! I've seen a few also in the Fitzroy Gardens,
another of central Melbourne's lovely and extensive
parks, but never in great numbers. They are most
active, it seems, around twilight, which in these latitudes
lasts for about an hour in summer, shorter in winter.
Yes, they make a "dreadful racket" when they're
squabbling over a preferred roosting spot, or a choice
piece of fruit. In flight, they usually only utter a few
contact calls; as they fly in to roost, the sound of many
thousand leathery wings beating is probably more
prominent than their vocalisations.
> ... The ones I saw
> were in the daytime and seemed quite active, but I don't know whether
> they're also nocturnal, like real bats.
They're real bats, and they're mostly diurnal. The
possums that come to raid our plum tree are almost
exclusively nocturnal.
When someone in Australia uses the word 'bat', nine
times out of ten they mean a 'fruit-bat'. They are by
far the most conspicuous of our bats.
Regards,
Yahya
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:28 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
Quoting Rodlox R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >From: Yann Kiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
> >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:59:09 -0500
> >
> >What exactley is a fruitbat? Is it an especialy big bat or does it
> >specialise on fruit?
>
> yes to both.
>
> they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't related to
> foxes...aside from both being mammals)
They're known as _flyghundar_ or _flygande hundar_ ("flight-dogs", "flying
dogs") in Swedish.
Andreas
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:09:50 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats
Class: Mammalia
Subclass: Theria
Infraclass: Eutheria
Order: Chiroptera
Suborder: Megachiroptera - 1 family, 166 species; eat fruit, nectar
or pollen. Navigate by sight. Found only in the Old World tropics.
Control their body temperature tightly.
Suborder: Microchiroptera - 16 families, 759 species; majority are
insectivorous, some have specialized in meat, fruit, nectar or
blood. Broad distribution throughout the world, except for the
polar regions and certain islands. Navigate by echolocation. Much
less control over body temperature, many hibernate.
The Chiroptera are the secondmost speciose order. Only Rodentia has
more species.
In Senjecan, in many cases, the name of a particular animal is both
specific and general. The word for "bat" is _peeþmûûsen_, i.e.,
flying mouse. This is hardly descriptive of fruitbats, but is
descriptive of the typical bat found in the Urheimat which is the
noctule bat, Nyctalus noctula. The names of other bats are formed
by prefixing some descriptive element to the typical word
_peeþmûûsen_. Affixing the diminutive suffix gives _peeþmûûslen_,
the pipestrelle bat, P. pipestrellus.
Fruitbats were unknown until after the dispersion from the Urheimat,
so a word was coined, _peeþpûcen_, i.e., flying fox. This word is
an example of prefixing a descriptive prefix to a word denoting a
known animal.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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