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1. Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:51:41 -0000
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)
--- In [email protected], caeruleancentaur
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Class: Mammalia
>
> Subclass: Theria
>
> Infraclass: Eutheria
>
> Order: Chiroptera
>
> Suborder: Megachiroptera - 1 family, 166 species; eat fruit, nectar
> or pollen. Navigate by sight. Found only in the Old World
> tropics.
> Control their body temperature tightly.
>
> Suborder: Microchiroptera - 16 families, 759 species; majority are
> insectivorous, some have specialized in meat, fruit, nectar or
> blood. Broad distribution throughout the world, except for the
> polar regions and certain islands. Navigate by echolocation. Much
> less control over body temperature, many hibernate.
>
> The Chiroptera are the secondmost speciose order. Only Rodentia
> has
> more species.
>
> In Senjecan, in many cases, the name of a particular animal is both
> specific and general. The word for "bat" is _peeþmûûsen_, i.e.,
> flying mouse. This is hardly descriptive of fruitbats, but is
> descriptive of the typical bat found in the Urheimat which is the
> noctule bat, Nyctalus noctula. The names of other bats are formed
> by prefixing some descriptive element to the typical word
> _peeþmûûsen_. Affixing the diminutive suffix gives _peeþmûûslen_,
> the pipestrelle bat, P. pipestrellus.
>
> Fruitbats were unknown until after the dispersion from the
> Urheimat,
> so a word was coined, _peeþpûcen_, i.e., flying fox. This word is
> an example of prefixing a descriptive prefix to a word denoting a
> known animal.
>
> Charlie
> http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
>
And how do you say, in your conlang(s), the "chicken-peacock", known
in English as "the Turkey" (the bird formerly known as "the Guinea-
Fowl"), and in French as "l'Oiseau d'Inde" or "Dindon Sauvage", and
in Spanish as "Guajalote Norten~o"?
(Scientific name Meleagris gallopavo silvestris
or Americana sybestris auis)
(Kingdom: Animalia;
Phylum: Chordata; Subphylum: Vertebrata;
Superclass: Gnathostomata; Class: Aves; Subclass: Neornithes;
Superorder: Neognathae; Order: Galliformes;
Family: Phasianidae; SubFamily: Meleagrididae;
Genus: Meleagris;
Species: gallopavo; Subspecies: silvestris)
Tom H.C. in MI
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:34:43 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)
--- In [email protected], tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>And how do you say, in your conlang(s), the "chicken-peacock",
>known
in English as "the Turkey" (the bird formerly known as "the >Guinea-
Fowl"), and in French as "l'Oiseau d'Inde" or "Dindon >Sauvage",and
in
Spanish as "Guajalote Norten~o"?
>(Scientific name Meleagris gallopavo silvestris or Americana
>sybestris auis)
>(Kingdom: Animalia; Phylum: Chordata; Subphylum: Vertebrata;
>Superclass: Gnathostomata; Class: Aves; Subclass: Neornithes;
>Superorder: Neognathae; Order: Galliformes; Family: Phasianidae;
>SubFamily: Meleagrididae; Genus: Meleagris; Species: gallopavo;
>Subspecies: silvestris)
In reality, the Spanish word for what in English is called a turkey
is
_pavo_. _Guajalote (norteño)_ is the Mexican word for the bird. I
presume the name is of Nahuatl origin.
_Dindon_ and _dinde_ just have to have their origin in _d'Inde_.
I don't understand the confusion of turkey with guinea fowl. They
are
two different species.
In any case, I have not yet catalogued the New World avian fauna. I
do have the following names for the Old World gallinaceous fowl.
µortôcen = common partridge "P. Perdix" (interestingly, the Latin
word
for partridge _perdix_ (and the word "partridge" for that matter)
are
cognates of the word "fart"!
reecînen - common quail "C. coturnix"
cââµen - ring-necked pheasant "Phasianus colchicus"
cacûren - rock partridge "Alextorix graeca"
cáþcacûren - hazel grouse "Tetrastes bonasia" câton = forest
cûxren - Caucasian snowcock "Tetragallus caucasicus"
crsnëcûxren - blackgrouse "Lyrurus tetrix" crsnin = black
jegértëcûxren - rock ptarmigan "Lagopus mutus" jêgon, ice + êrton,
earth = tundra
mînen - peacock Pavo cristatus
tetêrcen - capercaille Tetrao urogallus
tetâcen - guinea fowl Numididae sp.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:33:56 +0100
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fruitbats (wasRe: Butterflies)
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005, 22:21 CET, Roger Mills wrote:
> Rodlox wrote:
[snip]
>> they're also known as Flying Foxes (though they aren't
>> related to
>> foxes...aside from both being mammals)
>
> Right-- they are quite large, at least like a very big
> housecat with wings;
> they have a very dog-like (well, fox-like) face, with a
> longish snout, dark
> brownish fur.....at least the ones I saw in Indonesia.
> They seem very
> social, hang around in treetops, and make a dreadful
> racket. The ones I saw
> were in the daytime and seemed quite active, but I don't
> know whether
> they're also nocturnal, like real bats.
I guess that's the critters called "Flughunde" ("flying
dogs") in German.
Carsten
--
"Miranayam cepauarà naranoaris."
(Calvin nay Hobbes)
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