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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background,
Given/New.
From: Jonathan Knibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: Language Change Among Immortals
From: Tom Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: Language Change Among Immortals
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: mike poxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Larry Sulky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
From: Herman Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Scotto Hlad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
From: # 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Monica Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
From: Edward Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: "Jonathyn Bet'nct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Chris Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21. Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
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22. Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:45:30 -0800
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
--- taliesin the storyteller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Gary Shannon said on 2005-11-24 07:46:23 +0100
> > Just for fun: Translate this poem to your favorite
> > conlang:
> >
> > -- elokuno animata --
> >
> > ami i anke e atelu
> ^^^^ ^
> i u
>
> Don't you mean "anki", "sky" here? Harmonizes better
> with the following
> line too.
Yes, I did mean "anki" My bad.
>
> > ami i anlu e asoli
> u i
>
> > aki isi anikoto u ami
>
> Here there's an "u"...
>
> > alami ikanto anofi ami
>
> But not here? What gives? Guess: One is a noun, one
> is an adjective. But
> not marked as such in the dictionary.
>
Technically, both should have the possesive "u", but
it made the second line one syllable too long, so I
took some poetic license on the assumption that the
reader would understand the meaning of the line by
analogy to the line above. It is poetry after all!
It's suppose to be a little obscure, isn't it? ;-)
<snip>
--gary
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:14:45 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
Using Taliesin's Engl. version for the Kash:
> I am sky and world
> I am moon and sun
> Day watches my work
> Night sings my happiness
> Can you understand?
angasini elokuno
male nele hinda ['male 'nele 'xinda]
male tandi lero ['male 'tandi 'lEro]
lero yatikas mepumi ['lEro ja'tikas me'pumi]
ondre yarinju mindami ['ondre ja'rindZu mín'dami]
aka pole tanjañ? ['aka 'pole 'tandZaN]
añ-kasi-ni elokuno
NOM-begin-poss (name?)
ma-ale nele hinda -- 6 syl, 3 trochees
I-am sky earth
male tandi lero -- ditto
I-am moon sun
lero ya-tikas mepu-mi -- 8 syl, dactyl-dactyl-trochee
day (or 'sun'!) 3s-see work-my
ondre ya-rinju (=rinju) minda-mi -- ditto
night 3s-sing happy-my
aka pole tanjañ -- 6 syl., 3 trochees
Q can understand
One omits 'and' whenever possible. Verb stem+poss. > noun is very common, if
verging on colloquial. My first version was more trochaic, but that's not
good Kash poetry; they really prefer dactyls.
Use of verb base+poss > noun is verging on the colloquial, but works better
rhythmically than official "ambepumi, ambindami"
Minor problem: lero ('sun' anim; 'day' inanim.)-- I guess context clears it
up, if it's even necessary
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:41:37 +0000
From: Jonathan Knibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background,
Given/New.
Tom wrote:
>Given vs. New --
>The "Given" is the part of the utterance that the speaker expects the
>addressee already knows or at least should already know; the "New" is the
>part of the utterance that is new, or at least new relative to this
>discourse and new relative to the "Given".
>
>Topic vs. Comment --
>The topic is what the utterance is about; the comment is what is uttered
>about the topic.
I've never really understood the difference between 'topic' and
'given (information)'. What does 'about' mean in this context?
It's a fundamental feature of my 'lang T4 that given information is
expressed in the first half of the sentence (subject, roughly speaking)
and new information in the second half (~predicate). All sentences have
both. Tom, you say that a sentence may or may not have both given and
new information; I'd be interested to see examples which have only one
of these, to see how I'd render them in T4.
Jonathan.
==
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:49:03 -0900
From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 115 different language to say i luv u....
115 different language to say i luv u....
1> English - I love you
2> Afrikaans - Ek het jou lief
3> Albanian - Te dua
4> Arabic - Ana behibak (to male)
5> Arabic - Ana behibek (to female)
6> Armenian - Yes kez sirumen
7> Bambara - M'bi fe
8> Bangla - Aamee tuma ke bhalo aashi
9> Belarusian - Ya tabe kahayu
10> Bisaya - Nahigugma ako kanimo
11> Bulgarian - Obicham te
12> Cambodian - Soro lahn nhee ah
13> Cantonese Chinese - Ngo oiy ney a
14> Catalan - T'estimo
15> Cheyenne - Ne mohotatse
16> Chichewa - Ndimakukonda
17> China - Wo ai ni
18> Corsican - Ti tengu caru (to male)
19> Creol - Mi aime jou
20> Croatian - Volim te
21> Czech - Miluji te
22> Danish - Jeg Elsker Dig
23> Dutch - Ik hou van jou
24> Esperanto - Mi amas vin
25> Estonian - Ma armastan sind
26> Ethiopian - Afgreki'
27> Faroese - Eg elski teg
28> Farsi - Doset daram
29> Filipino - Mahal kita
30> Finnish - Mina rakastan sinua
31> French - Je t'aime, Je t'adore
32> Gaelic - Ta gra agam ort
33> Georgian - Mikvarhar
34> German - Ich liebe dich
35> Greek - S'agapo
36> Gujarati - Hoo thunay prem karoo choo
37> Hiligaynon - Palangga ko ikaw
38> Hawaiian - Aloha wau ia oi
39> Hebrew - Ani ohev otah (to female)
40> Hebrew - Ani ohev et otha (to male)
41> Hiligaynon - Guina higugma ko ikaw
42> Hindi - Hum Tumhe Pyar Karte hae
43> Hmong - Kuv hlub koj
44> Hopi - Nu' umi unangwa'ta
45> Hungarian - Szeretlek
46> Icelandic - Eg elska tig
47> Ilonggo - Palangga ko ikaw
48> Indonesian - Saya cinta padamu
49> Inuit - Negligevapse
50> Irish - Taim i' ngra leat
51> Italian - Ti amo
52> Japanese - Aishiteru
53> Kannada - Naanu ninna preetisuttene
54> Kapampangan - Kaluguran daka
55> Kiswahili - Nakupenda
56> Konkani - Tu magel moga cho
57> Korean - Sarang Heyo
58> Latin - Te amo
59> Latvian - Es tevi miilu
60> Lebanese - Bahibak
61> Lithuanian - Tave myliu
62> Malay - Saya cintakan mu / Aku cinta padamu
63> Malayalam - Njan Ninne Premikunnu
64> Mandarin Chinese - Wo ai ni
65> Marathi - Me tula prem karto
66> Mohawk - Kanbhik
67> Moroccan - Ana moajaba bik
68> Nahuatl - Ni mits neki
69> Navaho - Ayor anosh'ni
70> Norwegian - Jeg Elsker Deg
71> Pandacan - Syota na kita!!
72> Pangasinan - Inaru Taka
73> Papiamento - Mi ta stimabo
74> Persian - Doo-set daaram
75> Pig Latin - Iay ovlay ouyay
76> Polish - Kocham Ciebie
77> Portuguese - Eu te amo
78> Romanian - Te ubesk
79> Russian - Ya tebya liubliu
80> Scot Gaelic - Tha gra\dh agam ort
81> Serbian - Volim te
82> Setswana - Ke a go rata
83> Sign Language - ,\,,/ (represents position of
fingers when signing 'I Love You')
84> Sindhi - Maa tokhe pyar kendo ahyan
85> Sioux - Techihhila
86> Slovak - Lu`bim ta
87> Slovenian - Ljubim te
88> Spanish - Te quiero / Te amo
89> Swahili - Ninapenda wewe
90> Swedish - Jag alskar dig
91> Swiss-German - Ich lieb Di
92> Tagalog - Mahal kita
93> Taiwanese - Wa ga ei li
94> Tahitian - Ua Here Vau Ia Oe
95> Tamil - Nan unnai kathalikaraen
96> Telugu - Nenu ninnu premistunnanu
97> Thai - Chan rak khun (to male)
98> Thai - Phom rak khun (to female)
99> Turkish - Seni Seviyorum
100> Ukrainian - Ya tebe kahayu
101> Urdu - mai aap say pyaar karta hoo
102> Vietnamese - Anh ye^u em (to female)
103> Vietnamese - Em ye^u anh (to male)
104> Welsh - 'Rwy'n dy garu
105> Yiddish - Ikh hob dikh
106> Yoruba - Mo ni fe
107> Batak - Holong rohaku tu ho (update by
daulat)
108> Surabaya - aku tresno kara koe (Edited by
Kent)
109> Hakka - Ngai oi Ngi (update by Kent)
110> Hokien - Wa ai Lu (update by Kent)
111> Mongolia - Bi Charmed heir teh (update by
Kent)
112 > My Language - Keong kan!!
113> Maltese- INHOBBOK!!!!!
114> Punjabi-- Main tenu pyar karda ha
115. Inupiaq-- Pikpagiigikpin
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:50:34 -0800
From: Tom Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Language Change Among Immortals
Jim Henry wrote:
>On 11/22/05, tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> According to some theorists, one of the major engines
>>behind
>> the rapid
>> linguistic change in the Papua/New Guinea area and its
>> nearby islands,
>> and one of the major regions that this 1% of the world's
>> inhabited land
>> area contains 15% of the world's languages, is that when
>> someone there
>> dies, it becomes taboo to say their name -- and, of course,
>> most
>> people's names are words or short phrases (usually nominals
>> or
>> adjectivals, of course).
>That sounds intriguing. Do you remember where you read
>about that?
I found out it was pages 100-101 in "Atlas of the World's
Languages: Revised Edition" by Bernard Comrie, S(tephen?)
Matthews, and Maria Polinsky.
Later, when I have more computer time, and have the book with
me at the same time, I'll write more.
>Is this custom pretty much common to all the
>tribes
>of Papua New Guinea?
I don't know yet.
>--
>Jim Henry
>http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/esp.htm
>...Mind the gmail Reply-to: field
Thanks, Jim.
Happy Thanks-Giving Holiday, everyone.
Tom H.C. in MI
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:04:47 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Quoting Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 115 different language to say i luv u....
[snip]
> 90> Swedish - Jag alskar dig
[snip]
You better put in the trema _älskar_ if you want that to mean anything.
Andrea
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:07:57 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Language Change Among Immortals
Tom Chappell wrote:
> Jim Henry wrote:
> >On 11/22/05, tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> According to some theorists, one of the major engines
> >>behind
> >> the rapid
> >> linguistic change in the Papua/New Guinea area and its
> >> nearby islands,
> >> and one of the major regions that this 1% of the world's
> >> inhabited land
> >> area contains 15% of the world's languages, is that when
> >> someone there
> >> dies, it becomes taboo to say their name -- and, of course,
> >> most
> >> people's names are words or short phrases (usually nominals
> >> or
> >> adjectivals, of course).
>
> >That sounds intriguing. Do you remember where you read
> >about that?
>
> I found out it was pages 100-101 in "Atlas of the World's
> Languages: Revised Edition" by Bernard Comrie, S(tephen?)
> Matthews, and Maria Polinsky.
> Later, when I have more computer time, and have the book with
> me at the same time, I'll write more.
>
> >Is this custom pretty much common to all the
> >tribes
> >of Papua New Guinea?
>
IIRC, Robert Blust considers taboo-substitution as one of the main reasons
why some of the Melanesian languages (Solomon Is., New Caledonia et al.) are
so divergent, vis-a-vis reconstructed Austronesian vocab. Of course those
islands were settled early on by "Papuan" groups and languages, the ANs came
later.
Taboo-substitution is also mentioned in some of the old Dutch works on
various tribal groups within Indonesia-- the Bare'e of central Sulawesi are
the best known to me (the language is now called Poso).
> Happy Thanks-Giving Holiday, everyone.
>
> Tom H.C. in MI
To you and to all. Lero vele-kuvus re minda!!
Roger and his "friend/informant" Shenji rona Kavatu
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:15:29 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Or of course, aelskar...
On 11/24/05, Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > 115 different language to say i luv u....
>
> [snip]
> > 90> Swedish - Jag alskar dig
> [snip]
>
> You better put in the trema _älskar_ if you want that to mean anything.
>
> Andrea
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:50:22 -0000
From: mike poxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Other languages:
Romany: Me cámlo tute
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0500
From: Larry Sulky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Elomi:
ami imolu ate
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:20:52 -0600
From: Herman Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
Gary Shannon wrote:
> Just for fun: Translate this poem to your favorite
> conlang:
>
> -- elokuno animata --
>
> ami i anke e atelu
> ami i anlu e asoli
> aki isi anikoto u ami
> alami ikanto anofi ami
> uwe ate ipo ikila?
This looks like a good opportunity to give Kisuna a little exercise.
nai ika snik kus kasai
nai ika sanas kus niask
nia suinau kanis ika
nuik siks iasnaski ika
is suk sinkasa nika?
"Iasnaski" is technically a new word, but it's built regularly from the
prefix ias- and the word "naski" (happy).
nai ika snik kus kasai
be I sky and world
nai ika sanas kus niask
be I moon and sun
nia suinau kanis ika
see daytime work my
nuik siks ias -naski ika
sing night ness-happy my
is suk sinkasa nika?
QU? can understand you
(If the word "anke" had been a deliberate substitution for "anki", I
might have used something like "snis", meaning "number", or "snak",
meaning "arch", in place of "snik".)
"ain" (earth) might have been a better translation of atelu in this
context, but it doesn't fit the meter.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:19:38 -0700
From: Scotto Hlad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Rumansa: O té ame.
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Elomi:
ami imolu ate
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:36:53 -0500
From: # 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
Gary Shannon wrote:
>Just for fun: Translate this poem to your favorite
>conlang:
>
> -- elokuno animata --
>
>ami i anke e atelu
>ami i anlu e asoli
>aki isi anikoto u ami
>alami ikanto anofi ami
>uwe ate ipo ikila?
>
>The poem is in Larry Sulky's Elomi and a dictionary
>can
>be found here: http://fiziwig.com/lexicon.html
>
>The form of the poem is called elokuno, or greater
>eloku,
>and is similar to Haiku, but since elomi words are
>longer,
>it has 5 lines with 9, 9, 11, 11, and 9 syllables.
>
>Use whatever poetic form is best for your own conlang
>translation.
I've finally achieved to translate it into Vbazi. I remember my grammar but
I cannot remember most of the morphemes so it has been long.
But I did it!
(remembering: |q|=/N/, |y|=/E/, plosive+|h|=plosive+aspiration, |'|
indicates that the following consonant is sylabic)
Elokunog njele
didnabiizi ai phyqiizi
balnajaliizi ai kazneheliizi
gilyi zaltj'l vi de zgykebi
gilyi hiwbj'l gyn de gleqebi
dzeidevgiv'lnyle liw'l?
So it makes 8, 11, 9, 10, 8... which is not very beautiful.
But I can solve this.
If I replace "-balnaja-" which means the moon in its larger sense by
"-bvalna-" which means "full moon" and that I cut the final e in "-kaznehe-"
that means sun, and if I contract the "de" dynamic marker on the verb it
modifies I can get it to 8, 9, 8, 9, 8 which is better.
(Since the apostrophe already has a meaning, I think I will use the hyphen
to indicate contractions of two words, but I still hesitate among the
hyphen, the coma, the colon, the quotation mark, and "x".)
This would be like this:
Elokunog njele
didnabiizi ai phyqiizi
bvalnaliizi ai kaznehiizi
gilyi zaltj'l vi d-zgykebi
gilyi hiwbj'l gyn d-gleqebi
dzeidevgiv'lnyle liw'l?
Here is the interlinear:
didnab iiz - i ai phyq iiz i
sky identity 1st.sng. & ground i.c. 1.S.
copula
bvalnal iiz - i ai kazneh iiz i
full moon i.c. 1.S. & (from kaznehe) i.c. 1.S.
sun
gi lyi zalt - j'l vi d zgyk eb i
my sng. work acc. day (from de) watch/ 3.S.
transitive
dynamic look at (agrees suffix
marker with work)
gi - lyi hiwb - j'l gyn d - gleq eb i
my sng. joy/fun acc. night d.m. sing 3.S t.s.
dzei dev - giv'lnyl - e (l) - i
- w'l?
question (from de+ve) understand 2.S (because i follows
1.S dat.
marker d.m.+can(prefix) a word ending in vowel
l is inserted)
This was a fun exercise to do. I should do it more often to practice in
Vbazi.
- Max
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:17:10 -0500
From: Monica Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Sanovian: N'emwa dai.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:12:04 -0700
From: Edward Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
(GMAIL alert)
In Esoenske...
"Elokunoso Ricato"
Eku adijano abano imnir
Eku pulno ageno imnir
Triku eso fofolno linisis
Lanuku es' ekteno aorosis
Merto he seselik?
Interlinear...
"Elokunoso" "Ricato"
Elokuno.GEN Origin.PRES.SUBJ
"Eku adijano abano
imnir"
I.PRES.AGNT Land.PRES.OBJ World.PRES.OBJ Is.TRAN.PERFV
"Eku pulno ageno
imnir"
I.PRES.AGNT Moon.PRES.OBJ Sun.PRES.OBJ Is.TRAN.PERFV
"Triku eso fofolno linisis"
Day.PRES.AGNT I.GEN Endeavor.PRES.OBJ Watch.TRAN.PROG
"Lanuku eso ekteno aorosis"
Night.PRES.AGNT I.GEN Joy.PRES.OBJ Sing.TRAN.PROG
"Merto he seselik?"
You.PRES.SUBJ Can Understand.INT.INCEPTIVE
Elomi>Esoenske>English...
"The Beginning of Elokuno"
I am the land and the world
I am the moon and the sun
The day watches my work
The night sings my joy
Can you begin to understand?
On a sidenote, this is the first translation in my first conlang! It's
been a long two years, but I've finally gotten it down, and am now
working on the vocabulary. I hope to post a concise grammar here when
I have assembled one. So yeah: Esoenske (tran:"My Language") says hi!
On 11/23/05, Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just for fun: Translate this poem to your favorite
> conlang:
>
> -- elokuno animata --
>
> ami i anke e atelu
> ami i anlu e asoli
> aki isi anikoto u ami
> alami ikanto anofi ami
> uwe ate ipo ikila?
>
> The poem is in Larry Sulky's Elomi and a dictionary
> can
> be found here: http://fiziwig.com/lexicon.html
>
> The form of the poem is called elokuno, or greater
> eloku,
> and is similar to Haiku, but since elomi words are
> longer,
> it has 5 lines with 9, 9, 11, 11, and 9 syllables.
>
> Use whatever poetic form is best for your own conlang
> translation.
>
> --gary
>
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:31:59 -0800
From: "Jonathyn Bet'nct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Mikiana: En mafynten ey.
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Hasta la pasta,
Jonathyn Bet'nct.
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Beth: Lisa, all dogs are boys, all cats are girls. Is that right, Max?
Max: Exactly.
Lisa: Well, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but Daisy is
obviously, and I mean obviously, a girl.
Max: Oh we're not disputing that. It's not a question of sex, but of gender.
Lisa: Sex and gender are the same thing.
Max: Uh, not so. I would much rather have sex than gender.
Lisa: Since you have neither that must be very sad for you.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:14:35 +0000
From: Chris Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
I don't think you have the Basque yet... it's "maite zaitut" = [majte
sajtut] = maite z-a-it-u-t = beloved
2nd-present-plur.abs-have-1st.sing.erg = "I have/hold you beloved".
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:24:34 +0200
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
mike poxon wrote:
> Other languages:
>
> Romany: Me cámlo tute
What dialect is this (I just wonder)? In international communication they
usu. use Kalderash, where it would be: [Me] kamav tute.
-- Yitzik
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:31:05 +1300
From: Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Next thing - get 115 translations for:
I love myself, I think I'm grand,
I love to sit and hold my hand.
And when I grow up and marry me
Just think how happy I will be!
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:49, Michael Adams wrote:
> 115 different language to say i luv u....
>
> 1> English - I love you
> 2> Afrikaans - Ek het jou lief
> 3> Albanian - Te dua
> 4> Arabic - Ana behibak (to male)
> 5> Arabic - Ana behibek (to female)
> 6> Armenian - Yes kez sirumen
> 7> Bambara - M'bi fe
> 8> Bangla - Aamee tuma ke bhalo aashi
> 9> Belarusian - Ya tabe kahayu
> 10> Bisaya - Nahigugma ako kanimo
> 11> Bulgarian - Obicham te
> 12> Cambodian - Soro lahn nhee ah
> 13> Cantonese Chinese - Ngo oiy ney a
> 14> Catalan - T'estimo
> 15> Cheyenne - Ne mohotatse
> 16> Chichewa - Ndimakukonda
> 17> China - Wo ai ni
> 18> Corsican - Ti tengu caru (to male)
> 19> Creol - Mi aime jou
> 20> Croatian - Volim te
> 21> Czech - Miluji te
> 22> Danish - Jeg Elsker Dig
> 23> Dutch - Ik hou van jou
> 24> Esperanto - Mi amas vin
> 25> Estonian - Ma armastan sind
> 26> Ethiopian - Afgreki'
> 27> Faroese - Eg elski teg
> 28> Farsi - Doset daram
> 29> Filipino - Mahal kita
> 30> Finnish - Mina rakastan sinua
> 31> French - Je t'aime, Je t'adore
> 32> Gaelic - Ta gra agam ort
> 33> Georgian - Mikvarhar
> 34> German - Ich liebe dich
> 35> Greek - S'agapo
> 36> Gujarati - Hoo thunay prem karoo choo
> 37> Hiligaynon - Palangga ko ikaw
> 38> Hawaiian - Aloha wau ia oi
> 39> Hebrew - Ani ohev otah (to female)
> 40> Hebrew - Ani ohev et otha (to male)
> 41> Hiligaynon - Guina higugma ko ikaw
> 42> Hindi - Hum Tumhe Pyar Karte hae
> 43> Hmong - Kuv hlub koj
> 44> Hopi - Nu' umi unangwa'ta
> 45> Hungarian - Szeretlek
> 46> Icelandic - Eg elska tig
> 47> Ilonggo - Palangga ko ikaw
> 48> Indonesian - Saya cinta padamu
> 49> Inuit - Negligevapse
> 50> Irish - Taim i' ngra leat
> 51> Italian - Ti amo
> 52> Japanese - Aishiteru
> 53> Kannada - Naanu ninna preetisuttene
> 54> Kapampangan - Kaluguran daka
> 55> Kiswahili - Nakupenda
> 56> Konkani - Tu magel moga cho
> 57> Korean - Sarang Heyo
> 58> Latin - Te amo
> 59> Latvian - Es tevi miilu
> 60> Lebanese - Bahibak
> 61> Lithuanian - Tave myliu
> 62> Malay - Saya cintakan mu / Aku cinta padamu
> 63> Malayalam - Njan Ninne Premikunnu
> 64> Mandarin Chinese - Wo ai ni
> 65> Marathi - Me tula prem karto
> 66> Mohawk - Kanbhik
> 67> Moroccan - Ana moajaba bik
> 68> Nahuatl - Ni mits neki
> 69> Navaho - Ayor anosh'ni
> 70> Norwegian - Jeg Elsker Deg
> 71> Pandacan - Syota na kita!!
> 72> Pangasinan - Inaru Taka
> 73> Papiamento - Mi ta stimabo
> 74> Persian - Doo-set daaram
> 75> Pig Latin - Iay ovlay ouyay
> 76> Polish - Kocham Ciebie
> 77> Portuguese - Eu te amo
> 78> Romanian - Te ubesk
> 79> Russian - Ya tebya liubliu
> 80> Scot Gaelic - Tha gra\dh agam ort
> 81> Serbian - Volim te
> 82> Setswana - Ke a go rata
> 83> Sign Language - ,\,,/ (represents position of
> fingers when signing 'I Love You')
> 84> Sindhi - Maa tokhe pyar kendo ahyan
> 85> Sioux - Techihhila
> 86> Slovak - Lu`bim ta
> 87> Slovenian - Ljubim te
> 88> Spanish - Te quiero / Te amo
> 89> Swahili - Ninapenda wewe
> 90> Swedish - Jag alskar dig
> 91> Swiss-German - Ich lieb Di
> 92> Tagalog - Mahal kita
> 93> Taiwanese - Wa ga ei li
> 94> Tahitian - Ua Here Vau Ia Oe
> 95> Tamil - Nan unnai kathalikaraen
> 96> Telugu - Nenu ninnu premistunnanu
> 97> Thai - Chan rak khun (to male)
> 98> Thai - Phom rak khun (to female)
> 99> Turkish - Seni Seviyorum
> 100> Ukrainian - Ya tebe kahayu
> 101> Urdu - mai aap say pyaar karta hoo
> 102> Vietnamese - Anh ye^u em (to female)
> 103> Vietnamese - Em ye^u anh (to male)
> 104> Welsh - 'Rwy'n dy garu
> 105> Yiddish - Ikh hob dikh
> 106> Yoruba - Mo ni fe
> 107> Batak - Holong rohaku tu ho (update by
> daulat)
> 108> Surabaya - aku tresno kara koe (Edited by
> Kent)
> 109> Hakka - Ngai oi Ngi (update by Kent)
> 110> Hokien - Wa ai Lu (update by Kent)
> 111> Mongolia - Bi Charmed heir teh (update by
> Kent)
> 112 > My Language - Keong kan!!
> 113> Maltese- INHOBBOK!!!!!
> 114> Punjabi-- Main tenu pyar karda ha
>
> 115. Inupiaq-- Pikpagiigikpin
>
>
> Send this page to 10 people if you want your love
> to say "I love you" to you in a year.
> Send this page to 20 people if you want your love
> to say "I love you" to you in a month.
> Send this page to 30 people if you want your love
> to say "I love you" in a week.
> Send this page to 40 people if you want your love
> to say "I love you" to you in 24 hours!
--
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:22:25 +0200
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
Michael Adams wrote:
> 115 different language to say i luv u....
> 6> Armenian - Yes kez sirumen
Correct form (E.Armenian) - Yes khez sirumem
> 9> Belarusian - Ya tabe kahayu
kaxayu (where x stands for [x])
> 33> Georgian - Mikvarhar
Miq'varxar
100> Ukrainian - Ya tebe kahayu
koxayu
105> Yiddish - Ikh hob dikh
Ix hob dix lib
Looks like the person who collected the phrases, totally ignored diacritics.
-- Yitzik
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:31:56 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 115 different language to say i luv u....
--- In [email protected], Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>115 different language to say i luv u....
>22> Danish - Jeg Elsker Dig
>42> Hindi - Hum Tumhe Pyar Karte hae
>70> Norwegian - Jeg Elsker Deg
>76> Polish - Kocham Ciebie
>109> Hakka - Ngai oi Ngi (update by Kent)
>110> Hokien - Wa ai Lu (update by Kent)
Do these languages really capitalize every word in a sentence?
Senjecan:
temë miµêna
te-m-ë m-i-µên-a
2sg.-mutative-epenthetic 1sg.-pres.imperf.-love-indic.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:36:29 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Poetry Translation Challenge
--- In [email protected], Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just for fun: Translate this poem to your favorite conlang:
> -- elokuno animata --
>ami i anke e atelu
>ami i anlu e asoli
>aki isi anikoto u ami
>alami ikanto anofi ami
>uwe ate ipo ikila?
ßemêlon vüêêtoncüe mïêsa. (10 syllables)
lûxnen sûûlencüe mïêsa. (8 syllables)
dïêjan mudâârman nivûða. (9 syllables)
nêcüan mususvâqtan nisên£a. (9 syllables)
µêêja timââqar. (7 syllables)
ß = ts); ü = labialization; ï = palatalization; x = C; j = j; q = G;
£ = l_0; µ = m_0; r = 4_0 (in this position r_0
ßemêl-on vüêêt-on-cüe m-i-ês-a.
heaven-Nom.sg. world-Nom-Sg.-& 1st.sg-pres.imperf.-be-indic.
lûxn-en sûûl-en-cüe m-i-ês-a.
moon-Nom.sg. sun-Nom.Sg.-& 1st.sg-pres.imperf.-be-indic.
dïêj-an mu-dâârm-am n-i-vûð-a
day-Nom.sg. my-work-Mut.sg. 3rd.sg-pres.imperf.-watch-indic.
nêcü-an mu-susvâqt-am n-i-sên£-a.
night-Nom.sg. my-happiness-Mut.sg. 3rd.sg.-pres.imperf.-sing-indic.
µêêj-a t-i-mââq-a-r.
understand-indic. 2nd.sg-pres.imperf.-able-indic.-?
Change timââqar to jimââqar for 2nd.pl.
dâârman = employment; use dââron for a specific piece of work.
mïêsa can be lengthened to miêsa giving one more syllable.
I have not yet worked with poetry in Senjecan. I doubt that poetry
will work. I'll probably have to go with syllabification,
alliteration and assonance.
I really enjoy these short translation exercises. A great way for
me to learn vocabulary and grammar.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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