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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Wedding
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: TECH: IPA Zounds v3.0 released
From: Sanghyeon Seo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: TECH: IPA Zounds v3.0 released
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
From: Arthaey Angosii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: OT: Wedding
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10. Re: i just noticed (was fewest sounds)
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11. Re: fewest sounds?
From: mike poxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12. Re: OT: Wedding
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13. Re: OT: Wedding
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14. Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
From: Jim Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:41:44 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wedding
Congratulations!! Kimiyetak!!
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Henrik Theiling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Dear fellow conlangers!
>
> I married on last Friday. :-) Take a look:
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:42:12 +0900
From: Sanghyeon Seo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TECH: IPA Zounds v3.0 released
2005/12/1, Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> (PyGTK troubles)
>
> At the moment the "PyGTK 2.6 is not available..." message appears, a
> dialog pops up saying "Can't find libglib-2.0-0.dll" in what looks like
> some kind of libpath. Now I *do* have libglib-2.0-0.dll, along with some
> other useful looking dlls, installed inside a directory C:\Program
> Files\Common Files\GTK\2.0\bin that is not listed as part of that search
> path.
>
> Where is this libpath set, since it's not configured via Windows
> environment variables? Is it more likely to be a Python thing, a pygtk
> thing, or an ipa-zounds thing?
It's a Windows environment variable thing. Add Common Files\GTK\2.0\lib
(I think it's lib, not bin. Just in case, add both) to PATH, and it should work.
In case you don't know, to set an environment variable,
1. Right click on My Computer
2. Click Properties
3. Click Advanced tab
4. Click Environment Variables
5. Add or Edit variables you want. In this case PATH.
Seo Sanghyeon
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:00:49 -0500
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TECH: IPA Zounds v3.0 released
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:42:12 -0500, Sanghyeon Seo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It's a Windows environment variable thing. Add Common Files\GTK\2.0\lib
> (I think it's lib, not bin. Just in case, add both) to PATH, and it
> should work.
>
> In case you don't know, to set an environment variable,
> 1. Right click on My Computer
> 2. Click Properties
> 3. Click Advanced tab
> 4. Click Environment Variables
> 5. Add or Edit variables you want. In this case PATH.
The other places it's looking are *not* PATH. It's looking somewhere quite
else.
Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:47:38 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
Gary Shannon wrote:
..I like to have ready access to
> a handful of sentence that use that word so I can see
> how the word actually behaves in the wild.
>
> To that end, I've written a program to create my
> dictionary page and a sample sentence page from a
> dictionary file and a corpus of sentences.
Excellent idea. I've thought of trying that for Kash, even though it will
require a larger corpus of examples than exists at present (I think)... But
it was taking me a while to figure out "<a name....>" etc. Nice to see it
in practice.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:20:28 -0800
From: Arthaey Angosii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
Emaelivpeith Gary Shannon:
> That looks nice. What is in the parentheses. I'm just
> seeing square blocks like I don't have a necessary
> font.
In the brackets, you mean? That's Unicode IPA for the lexemes.
> The first link to samples didn't work, but I got there
> from the link on the dictionary page. It looks nice.
The link should work now; it just took a bit for the DNS changes to go through.
> The thing that wouold concern me is where words might
> have two or more slightly different meanings, or
> perhaps there are two or more ways to use a particular
> word. That would require at least a couple of
> sentences in those cases.
Indeed. If you look at, for example, _-ad_
(http://dictionary.arthaey.com/#-ad), it has 3 distinct meanings. Two
of those meanings have example sentences, although admittedly they are
not numbered to go with the numbered meanings.
--
AA
http://conlang.arthaey.com/
(Gmail WARNING: watch the Reply-To!)
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:41:48 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
Hi!
Jim Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 11/30/05, Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's a good word for the set of languages, nat and con, that are meant
> > for communication between sentient beings -- i.e. excluding computer
> > programming languages, data modelling languages, and so on, but including
> > languages for aliens, and unusually smart hamsters, and what-have-you?
> >
> > "Human" languages is wrong, as is "natural". I'm rather at a loss.
>
> Maybe "people languages"? Or "sophont languages"?
> ("Sentient languages" doesn't quite work, though it suggests
> an interesting story idea....)
But maybe "sentients' languages"?
**Henrik
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:33:45 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
On 11/30/05, Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What's a good word for the set of languages, nat and con, that are
>meant for communication between sentient beings -- i.e. excluding
>computer programming languages, data modelling languages, and so
>on, >but including languages for aliens, and unusually smart
>hamsters, >and what-have-you? "Human" languages is wrong, as
is "natural". I'm >rather at a loss.
I don't believe that any form of "sentient" is adequate. It seems
to me that, in any given conculture, some sentient beings speak and
some don't. "Sentient," after all, has nothing to do with the
ability to speak, but the ability to feel.
What is needed is a word (an adjective, it appears) that includes
all the species that can communicate. Since anything is possible in
a conculture, that could very well include animal as well as plant
life (or any other form imagined). And the word has to distinguish
between forms that can communicate and those that can't, _e.g._,
oaks can communicate but elms can not. I don't believe there is
such a word, at least in English.
I found in the OED the word "loquent" meaning having the ability to
speak, and that's the word I use in my conculture for the dragons
and the six human-like races that can speak, the other life forms
being merely sentient. I call these the loquent peoples or races or
nations.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:52:06 -0000
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Wedding
--- In [email protected], Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear fellow conlangers!
>
> I married on last Friday. :-) Take a look:
>
> http://www.theiling.de/ehe.html
>
> To see the pictures, you need a username and a password, which
> are <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>
> I formatted the login data as <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so that the list
> server does not show it to everyone but only to subscribed people.
>
> Enjoy the pictures! :-)
>
> **Henrik
>
Congratulations, and, Good luck, to you both!
Will your new father-in-law provide you with free mead for the first
month? I heard somewhere that's where the "honey moon" comes from.
Tom H.C. in MI
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:09:28 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to name the languages of sentient beings?
Watch reply-tos!
Or need we have an exact English translation? I can think of several
terms that are basically impossible to translate. Example French
"chez"--which can roughly mean "at the house of", "where (person)
works", "at a place related to this task", etc.
A term for this in an agglutinating language would be something like
"think-person.GEN language".
On 12/1/05, caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What's a good word for the set of languages, nat and con, that are
> >meant for communication between sentient beings -- i.e. excluding
> >computer programming languages, data modelling languages, and so
> >on, >but including languages for aliens, and unusually smart
> >hamsters, >and what-have-you? "Human" languages is wrong, as
> is "natural". I'm >rather at a loss.
>
> I don't believe that any form of "sentient" is adequate. It seems
> to me that, in any given conculture, some sentient beings speak and
> some don't. "Sentient," after all, has nothing to do with the
> ability to speak, but the ability to feel.
>
> What is needed is a word (an adjective, it appears) that includes
> all the species that can communicate. Since anything is possible in
> a conculture, that could very well include animal as well as plant
> life (or any other form imagined). And the word has to distinguish
> between forms that can communicate and those that can't, _e.g._,
> oaks can communicate but elms can not. I don't believe there is
> such a word, at least in English.
>
> I found in the OED the word "loquent" meaning having the ability to
> speak, and that's the word I use in my conculture for the dragons
> and the six human-like races that can speak, the other life forms
> being merely sentient. I call these the loquent peoples or races or
> nations.
>
> Charlie
> http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:10:39 -0000
From: tomhchappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i just noticed (was fewest sounds)
--- In [email protected], Reilly Schlaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .... [snip] ....
> i thought to myself that the
> most obvious combination of consonant+vowel would be 'ka'
> .... [snip] ....
> i was wondering what the first combination of
> con+vow that came to mind for everyone would be.
> .... [snip] ....
For me, in CXSampa,
nl)@ or ln)@.
Tom H.C. in MI
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:02:30 -0000
From: mike poxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fewest sounds?
This sounds inordinately like the "Alien" language spoken by Kryten in a
"Red Dwarf" episode!
Mike
> when i posted this i had been thinking about this for most of the day
> and i thought that one could have a lang. with just /k/ and /a/
> words being something like 'a' 'ka' 'ak' 'kak' 'kka' 'akk' 'kaa' 'aak'
> with a finnish like pronounciation.
> so a sentence would run like
> ka a ak k akkak akk.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:13:46 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Wedding
Hi!
Tomhchappell writes:
> --- In [email protected], Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...
> > I married on last Friday. :-) Take a look:
> >...
>
> Congratulations, and, Good luck, to you both!
Thanks!
Also thanks to all the others for the nice wishes. :-)
> Will your new father-in-law provide you with free mead for the first
> month? I heard somewhere that's where the "honey moon" comes from.
Interesting, I did not know. It would be nice, I like mead. However,
no-one knows where he lives. But maybe my father could provide it to
Uta, then.
**Henrik
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:41:35 +0200
From: Isaac Penzev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Wedding
Henrik Theiling scripsit:
> I married on last Friday.
Congratulations!
-- Yitzik
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:36:35 -0500
From: Jim Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hyperlinking a dictionary to a corpus
On 11/30/05, Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To that end, I've written a program to create my
> dictionary page and a sample sentence page from a
> dictionary file and a corpus of sentences. It shows a
I'd like to do that, & I've made vague plans for it
-- the script that generates the lexicon nxcgtx.htm
from the tab-delimited file nxcgtx.rdb puts in
id attributes on the <DT> tags so I can put in
links to individual dictionary entries later, from
words in the texts; and all the newer sample
texts and sample sentences in the grammar
documents have link anchors all over the place
to be linked to from the dictionary.
But actually automatically
generating all those links will take a fair
bit of coding. It might be easier to
create a special file of just sample sentences
and generate the links to that rather than
try to write a script that will search the grammar,
semantics and translation documents for
sample sentences, find the nearest link anchor to each, and
generate links to be merged with the dictionary
entries for each morpheme. I'll try out some different
methods, perhaps.
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Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/gzb/gzb.htm
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