There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: A book report...
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: Conlang flag in actual cloth
From: Taka Tunu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: Conlang flag in actual cloth
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. X-Bar and LFG
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: X-Bar and LFG
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: A book report...
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: A book report...
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: What is language? (was: OT hominids)
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. Re: OT: Happy New Year 2006!
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:29:34 -0000
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A book report...
--- In [email protected], Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Were there any other linguistics books among our collective Holiday
>loot?
I received a gift certificate for Barnes & Noble. A preliminary
investigation tells me I'll need to take more time to find the right
book.
Charlie
http://wiki.frath.net/user:caeruleancentaur
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:13:27 +0100
From: Taka Tunu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Conlang flag in actual cloth
Is it OK with replacing the dark colour of the tower and earth with purple
instead or does it ruin the flag? Someone complained it was too dark and heavy.
µ.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:38:52 +0100
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Conlang flag in actual cloth
* Sai Emrys said on 2005-12-30 01:45:46 +0100
> It's not for me, it's for the flag makers. Those are the programs they
> use. (They mentioned EPS and AI (?) formats also, in addition to the
> usual .jpg and .bmp.)
Inkscape can save as .ai, .eps, .ps, .pdf and .epsi too.
t.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:17:32 +0100
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X-Bar and LFG
Hi all,
I've seen the terms X-Bar and LFG sometimes, but I don't
know what they mean, or rather, which idea is behind them. I
only know that they're used to show sentence structures in
diagrams. And then, there are weird Greek symbols that come
along which seem to be some rather mathematical
abbreviations for things. It's a bit confusing, so please
enlighten me ;-)
Thanks,
Carsten
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Keywords: X-Bar, LFG
"Miranayam cepauarà naranoaris."
(Calvin nay Hobbes)
:ven, 15-A8-58-10-7-19-25 :ct
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:41:26 +0100
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Bar and LFG
* Carsten Becker said on 2005-01-01 18:17:32 +0100
> I've seen the terms X-Bar and LFG sometimes, but I don't
> know what they mean, or rather, which idea is behind them.
For LFG see http://taliesin.nvg.org/conlang/aboutLFG.pdf
t.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:29:01 -0800
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A book report...
>From my nephew the Doctor: _Constructing a Language_
by Michael Tomasello. Harvard University Press ISBN
0674017641. 388 pages. And it's subtitled: "A
Usage-Based Theory of Language Acquistition." I
haven't started reading it yet, but it looks very
interesting.
--gary
--- Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I forgot to brag about my Christmas haul. There was
> not much that was
> relevant to the group, but possibly of interest
> might be this gift from my
> parents: a 1958 first edition of _The Decipherment
> Of Linear B_ by John
> Chadwick.
<snip>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:35:35 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A book report...
Quoting Aaron Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Were there any other linguistics books among our collective Holiday loot?
I got a Swedish-Latin-Swedish dictionary.
Andreas
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:59:18 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is language? (was: OT hominids)
Quoting Cian Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 08:40, R A Brown wrote:
>
> > I am sure that as soon proto-humans acquired a vocal tract (which I do
> > *NOT* believe happen to certain individual overnight!), they were making
> > all sorts of sounds; I just cannot believe that they would have been
> > content with just grunts.
>
> I suppose someone out there has already noted that the full capability
> for the full set of human phonemes didn't have to arise all at once.
> Once one has human-like lips (and enough control over them) one can make
> labial consonants. The same holds for the mobile tongue and dental
> consonants, etc. Maybe velars or other more-difficult (?) sounds came
> last? In any case, once it's possible to make any kind of CV/etc.
> syllables even of the simplest sort and even with a very limited
> inventory of phonemes, human speech becomes possible. This strikes me
> as being perhaps more like Hawaiian than like the comic-book
> stereotypes.
Making individual sounds is the easy part - the tricky one is controling
breathing so precisely you can chop an outbreath into a long sequence of
phonemes. Modern humans have a bunch of extra nerves to the breathing
musculature to faciliate this - early members of our genus, like H. erectus,
apparently had not, and so presumably were not prone to chattering. Then you
also need a brain capable of processing all this short sounds more-or-less in
real time.
The current best guess seems to be that the physiological and neurological
prerequisites for human language as we know it today was not in place until
200-300k years ago. By this time our lineage was already separate from the
Neanderthals' - I do not know if parallel changes occured in theirs.
Andreas
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:16:25 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Happy New Year 2006!
Le dernier c'est l'Esperanto de quelqu'un qui ne le parle pas :).
Quelqu'un du liste m'a de/ja\ dit ce que je dois correcter la\.
Aussi, je crois que nous ne pouvons pas parler en franc,ais sur cette
liste...quelqu'un demandera une traduction. Oh, que dis-je? Ils
peuvent utiliser Verbix et un dictionnaire.
On 1/1/06, Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le Dim, 01 Jan 2006, 01:57 CET, Veritosproject a écrit:
>
> > Quelle bas de nombres utilisez-vous en Ayeri (Je suis trop
> > paresseux de le calculer)?
> > What number base does Ayeri use (I'm too lazy to calculate
> > it)?
> > Kio numera baso usas Ayeri? (just a guess)
>
> Quelle langue est le dernier?
>
> Eh bien, j'utilise 12 comme base*. Ainsi, on a
>
> 1 x 12^3 = 1728
> 1 x 12^2 = 144
> 11 x 12^1 = 132
> 2 x 12^0 = 2
> ------------------
> = 2006
>
> Comme cela, la phrase en Ayeri veut dire
>
> Pericyan-lei 11B2 e-hiro e-mino va -yam-ican!
> Ans -P 2006 P-nouvel P-heureux 2pl-BEN-tous
>
> "Heureux nouvel ans 2006 (soi) à vous tous!"
>
> Le mieux,
> Carsten
>
> *) Pour le Daléiain, j'ai utilisé 8 comme base, et le mieux
> que je peut dire en Daléiain est "Na gadan 3726 kalisa im
> lára era ad!" (avec _gadan_, "ans", nouvellement inventé.)
>
> --
> "Miranayam cepauarà naranoaris."
> (Calvin nay Hobbes)
>
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