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1. OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: coins and currency (was: Re: [Theory] Types of numerals)
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: coins and currency (was: Re: [Theory] Types of numerals)
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: coins and currency
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: coins and currency
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: coins and currency
From: Sylvia Sotomayor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: coins and currency
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: coins and currency
From: R A Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. Re: coins and currency
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10. Re: coins and currency
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11. Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12. Re: [Theory] Types of numerals
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13. Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14. Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15. Re: coins and currency
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16. Re: Sound changes causing divergence of ordinals from cardinals
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:41:37 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
Hi!
Nik Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>...
> :-) And another good reason for keeping pennies - easy way to save up
> large sums of money!
Ok, I will start today! (Using cents, of course)
> Anyways, I never have more than 4 pennies in my wallet at any given
> time, because I use them. Like, if something were priced, say, $7.51,
> and I had a $10 bill and, say, a couple dimes and a penny, I'll pay
> $10.01, to minimize my change. (Admittedly, I'm semi-OCD on that
> issue ... I've been known to give a cashier $23.01 for a $7.51
> purchase -
> $15.50 in change, the most compact change I could come up with with
> what I had on me)
Haha, errrm, I do exactly the same. Should be 22.01, BTW... I did
trigger off strange looks and did puzzle some cashiers who would get
totally confused about how much to return.
People are especially puzzled when I pay, say, 10.05 for 9.95, because
they probably think that is doesn't change anything compared to paying
simply 10.00: it's one coin in return in either case (5ct both 10.00
and 10ct for 10.05). *But*, of course, may wallet will contain one
coin less after the transaction!
> > prices are X.99 EUR. And then you've got half a dozen
> > pennies in your wallet and cannot get rid of them because
> > hardly anybody accepts them.
>
> Even in increments of one or two? That surprises me! If they give
> them out, why wouldn't they accept them? ...
Well, I think they do except them, actually. I've never encountered
strange looks (only happy smiles, maybe) when paying exactly 7.98 EUR
using 5 + 2 + .50 + .20 + .20 + .05 + .02 + .01. Of course, paying 1
EUR with 100 * 1ct will most probably create some discussion, but so
will paying 100 EUR with 100 * 1 EUR.
> One really has to wonder what the EU was thinking setting the Euro at
> a value that made .01 so nearly worthless. They should've set it at
> about 5 times that value, so that a 1-cent piece would've been more
> worthwhile.
I didn't understand it either. Finland eliminated the 1ct and 2ct
coins quite immediately and if I had been King of Europe, I would
probably have done the same for my whole empire and would have
additionally defined 20 newEUR := 1 oldEUR (meaning, of course, 1
newEUR = 5 oldCents) so that no cents would have been needed anymore.
I don't like two units for one type of thing too much.
Also, I would probably have founded a commision for single-syllable
nick names for 'Euro' in all the language of my empire. And then,
after a few years, I would have introduced Tok Pisin as the official
language. (Or maybe not, who knows. :-))
> A lot of Americans just put their coins in their pocket. I prefer
> keeping it in my wallet, as its more efficient, but lately I've been
> looking for a new, nicer, wallet, and you just can't find men's
> wallets with a coin-pocket. Very annoying.
Really!? That's strange. Do you think there's a market for buying them
here and putting them on eBay for sale in the US? :-))
**Henrik
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:22:15 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency (was: Re: [Theory] Types of numerals)
Hi!
Michael Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>...
> Suvile (actually, the Suzhoni, since currency is not specific to the
> Suvile language) has a currency system based on the number 60.
>...
> Yes I have thought about this too much, and, yes, I do want to make
> real Suzhoni coins, or at least the copper ones. The reverse (tails
> side) would have the 12-pointed star that can be seen in the IdzonWiki
> logo, and the obverse (heads), I'm not sure yet.
Very cool! Real conculture coins!
Are there many who build real conculture artifacts? What kind of?
**Henrik
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:40 -0500
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency (was: Re: [Theory] Types of numerals)
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:22:15 -0500, Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Michael Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Yes I have thought about this too much, and, yes, I do want to make
>> real Suzhoni coins, or at least the copper ones. The reverse (tails
>> side) would have the 12-pointed star that can be seen in the IdzonWiki
>> logo, and the obverse (heads), I'm not sure yet.
>
> Very cool! Real conculture coins!
>
> Are there many who build real conculture artifacts? What kind of?
There are those who produce concultural recipes.
After more research, I'll probably figure out a few Thagojian recipes.
They don't sell very many varieties of tropical birds and lizards in the
local supermarket, so Br'ga recipes may have to be entirely fictional,
though I suppose I could fake some of the fish and/or vegetarian ones. I'm
not even going to *touch* the question of Lizardman cuisine until I have
at least some idea of where in space and time they're going to be located.
Even then, I rather suspect it might be too squicky for most readers.
Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:36:09 +0200
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
>Mark J. Reed wrote:
>>Hm. Apparently the ⬠is alt-shift-2 on my Mac. If there's a
>>mnemonic there, it's lost on me.
>
>Interesting. On my Mac alt-shift-2 gives ⢠(the trade-mark symbol); to
>get ⬠it's just alt-2 :)
>
>--
>Ray
I see only gibberish there, so I don't know what symbol you're talking
about, but *my* mac gives @ for alt-2 and (second mark) for alt-shift-2.
Euro sign is shift-4, dollar sign alt-4, cent sign alt-shift-4.
John Vertical
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:06:27 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
On 1/7/06, John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see only gibberish there, so I don't know what symbol you're talking
> about,
Hotmail doesn't like UTF-8? Huh. I knew Yahoo! was lame in that
regard, but I expected better from Hotmail.
With the US keyboard layout, the 2 and 4 keys are thus:
with shift: @ and $
with alt (option): trademark symbol (superscript TM) and US cent sign
with shift+alt: euro symbol and right-single-guillemet
>but *my* mac gives @ for alt-2 and " (second mark) for alt-shift-2
Hm. What you sent is the Unicode closing double-quotation mark (that
looks like a small superscript 99 with the holes filled in), but I
suspect that what you meant is the vertical version (a.k.a "double
prime", and much more likely to be seen as a "second mark" than the
fancy version). Are you by any chance using Word to compose your
email messages?
I'm also surprised that @ is an alt char. What, pray tell, is shift-2
on your keyboard?
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Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:23:45 -0800
From: Sylvia Sotomayor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
On 1/7/06, Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/7/06, John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I see only gibberish there, so I don't know what symbol you're talking
> > about,
>
> Hotmail doesn't like UTF-8? Huh. I knew Yahoo! was lame in that
> regard, but I expected better from Hotmail.
>
Well, if anyone wants to try out gmail, which seems to handle utf-8
fine, just let me know.
-S, with 99 invites...
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Sylvia Sotomayor
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www.terjemar.net
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:52:40 +0200
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
>From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On 1/7/06, John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I see only gibberish there, so I don't know what symbol you're talking
> > about,
>
>Hotmail doesn't like UTF-8? Huh. I knew Yahoo! was lame in that
>regard, but I expected better from Hotmail.
Apparently not. :/
> >but *my* mac gives @ for alt-2 and " (second mark) for alt-shift-2
>
>Hm. What you sent is the Unicode closing double-quotation mark (that
>looks like a small superscript 99 with the holes filled in), but I
>suspect that what you meant is the vertical version (a.k.a "double
>prime", and much more likely to be seen as a "second mark" than the
>fancy version). Are you by any chance using Word to compose your
>email messages?
No, I use the Hotmail standard plain-text composer.
Still, after poking around a little, I've confirmed that it is indeed a
"superscript 99" quotation mark, making a 2nd appearence in an odd place.
(Normal is alt^M.) It just looks nigh-identical to the second mark in 12p
Helvetica.
It also got mangled into a regular quotation mark, as you can see. Odd that
I can send but not receive.
>I'm also surprised that @ is an alt char. What, pray tell, is shift-2
>on your keyboard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Swedish.2FFinnish
(Macs relocate the euro sign to ^4 and add all the customary alt and alt^
glyphs.)
The alt-ness of @ has indeed raised a few complaints after email has become
commonplace...
John Vertical
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:46:01 +0000
From: R A Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
The table below will make more sense with monospaced font :)
R A Brown wrote:
> Mark J. Reed wrote:
[snip]
>> Nevertheless, since the introduction of the Euro I have often heard it
>> referred to as the Euro-dollar; I've certainly heard that term far
>> more often than "Eurodollar" in the sense you describe. Complain to
>> the news media. :)
>
>
> Um - sounds like a Merkan thing. I've never heard the euro called that
> this side of the Pond. Presumably it's a back formation from eurocent.
It seems also that 'eurocent' or 'euro-cent' is not correct; but I
cannot blame the Merkans for that as I have come across it this side of
the Pond. But, it seems, the 100th part of a euro should just be termed
a _cent_ in English. RightPondians, and others, can find out more about
the euro on:
http://europa.eu.int/euro
Among its pages you will discover this:
{quote}
Spelling of the words "euro" and "cent" in the official Community
languages - to be used when drawing up Community Legislative acts
expressed as an amount ********* with definite article
language one unit several units singular plural
DA 1 euro 100 euro euroen euroene
1 cent 100 cent centen centene
DE 1 Euro 100 Euro der Euro die Euro
1 Cent 100 Cent der Cent die Cent
EL 1 εÏ
ÏÏ 100 εÏ
ÏÏ Ïο εÏ
ÏÏ Ïα
εÏ
ÏÏ
1 λεÏÏÏ 100 λεÏÏά Ïο λεÏÏÏ Ïα
λεÏÏά
EN 1 euro 100 euro (1) the euro the euro (1)
1 cent 100 cent (1) the cent the cent (1)
ES 1 euro 100 euros el euro los euros
1 cent 100 cents el cent los cents
FR 1 euro 100 euros l'euro les euros
1 cent 100 cents le cent les cents
IT 1 euro 100 euro l'euro gli euro
1 cent 100 cent il cent i cent
NL 1 euro 100 euro de euro de euro's
1 cent 100 cent de cent de centen
PT 1 euro 100 euros o euro os euros
1 cent 100 cents o cent os cents
FI 1 euro 100 euroa (2) euro eurot
1 sentti 100 senttiä (2) sentti sentit
SV 1 euro 100 euro euron (3) eurorna (3)
1 cent 100 cent centen centen
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(1) This spelling without an "s" may be seen as departing from usual
English practice for currencies.
(2) The form used is the singular partitive form.
(3) Used for references to "the currency" or coins.
The official abbreviation, according to ISO 4217, for "euro" is "EUR" in
all languages.
There is no official abbreviation for "cent", but one could reflect on
using either "c" or "ct".
{/unquote}
So now y'all know ;)
Interesting to see how languages with grammatical gender (i.e. all
except English & Finnish) differ. Only Greek makes the euro and cent
(lepto) neuter; Dutch & the Scandinavian langs go for the common gender,
while German & the Romance langs all have them masculine.
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John Vertical wrote:
>> Mark J. Reed wrote:
>>
>>> Hm. Apparently the â`¬ is alt-shift-2 on my Mac. If there's a
>>> mnemonic there, it's lost on me.
>>
>>
>> Interesting. On my Mac alt-shift-2 gives â"¢ (the trade-mark symbol);
>> to get â`¬ it's just alt-2 :)
>>
>> --
>> Ray
>
> I see only gibberish there,
That's because your mailer's mangled it ;)
>so I don't know what symbol you're talking
> about,
The symbol that you see as 'a-circumflex comma logical-NOT' was just the
euro symbol in Mark's mail & mine.
> but *my* mac gives @ for alt-2 and " (second mark) for
> alt-shift-2. Euro sign is shift-4, dollar sign alt-4, cent sign
> alt-shift-4.
Weird. Shift-4 is just the plain ol' dollar sign on my Mac, alt-4 gives
the US cent symbol, and shift-alt-4 gives a right pointing single
guillemet (angle quotation marrk). It is surely to do with the key-board
set-up one has. Maybe you have a Finnish key-board set-up.
--
Ray
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:19:06 +0200
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
>From: R A Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>John Vertical wrote:
>>>to get â⬠it's just alt-2 :)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Ray
>>
>>I see only gibberish there,
>
>That's because your mailer's mangled it ;)
>The symbol that you see as 'a-circumflex comma logical-NOT' was just the
>euro symbol in Mark's mail & mine.
Simple enuff. And now it seems to have been mangled to the 2nd degree...
I'd've thought at least the comma would've stayed put? O_õ
John Vertical
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:22:25 +0200
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
>From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:07:23 -0500, Jefferson Wilson wrote:
>>
>>Depends on whether you want the lowest number of _coins_ or the lowest
>>number of _types_. Binary is good for the former, but for the latter you
>>get the series: 1, 3, 6, 12, 24, etc. (Something to keep in mind for those
>>of us with duodecimal numbering systems I think.) Hmmm, take this series
>>up to 96, round each value to the nearest number divisible by 5, and you
>>have the American coinage system.
>
>There's a 15c coin?
12 rounds to 10, not 15. But also, 96 rounds to 95, not 100! :)
My favorite, the trinary series, also initially rounds to 1, 5, 10, 25. The
next ones (80, 245, 730...) aren't, however, particularily useful in a
decimal system.
>And, personally, I'd rather deal with a smaller number of coins per
>transaction (in both directions), provided the types of coins could be
>readily distinguished by fingertip touch while within my pocket or a cash
>register drawer. I guess that's largely a matter of taste, though, isn't
>it? It's the sort of thing that'd be hard to measure objectively, I
>imagine.
>
>I think spheres of radius "n" for a value of 2^n might be easily
>discernable.
They would also cover a hideous size range and be material inefficient
compared to discs. And the smallest ball-bearings would get lost rather
easily.
>What about polyhedra?
Same problems as above. For shape efficiency, I'd suggest triangles,
pentagons, discs, and rings of two sizes each, plus a rod or longish
rectangle.
John Vertical
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:57:27 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
Quoting Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi!
>
> Nik Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > One really has to wonder what the EU was thinking setting the Euro at
> > a value that made .01 so nearly worthless. They should've set it at
> > about 5 times that value, so that a 1-cent piece would've been more
> > worthwhile.
>
> I didn't understand it either. Finland eliminated the 1ct and 2ct
> coins quite immediately and if I had been King of Europe, I would
> probably have done the same for my whole empire and would have
> additionally defined 20 newEUR := 1 oldEUR (meaning, of course, 1
> newEUR = 5 oldCents) so that no cents would have been needed anymore.
> I don't like two units for one type of thing too much.
I don't know why the particular value for 1 was picked, but the reason for the
1c and 2c coins is that Greece and Portugal demanded them. Pre-euroification,
they had even smaller coins in circulation, and felt that suddenly having 5c as
the smallest denomination would be too disruptive for retailers.
Personally, I'd made the euro worth about 10c (roughly the value of 1 SEK) and
skipped any subdivision - the Greeks and Portuguese be damned!
I usually end up spending my small change on coffee et sim., which makes for
some symmetry, since paying for drinks with notes is a main source for them. I
usually make all bigger purchases (5+) with a debit card.
Andreas
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:34:24 +0100
From: Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Theory] Types of numerals
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006, 23:05, Andreas Johansson wrote:
> Actually, we do have 10 SEK and 5 SEK coins too. In order
> to mystify foreigners,
> the 10 SEK ones have a smaller diameter than the 1 SEK
> ones (but are thicker).
Oh. I didn't know that. I've only seen 50 öre and 1 crown
pieces. I've still got 11 SEK that I couldn't get rid of.
Banks usually don't take foreign coins. Sending this to
Frankfurt (the Bundesbank changes coins AFAIK) in order to
change the coins into the amount in Euro isn't really worth
it, as I would have to pay some Euros extra for processing
fees.
>> You don't even get back your 50 Öre often.
>
> Hm. That does not agree with my experience.
But then, I was obviously a tourist, ... Not that I want to
blame you Swedes for being unkind to foreigners, but certain
people *are* concerning change and you can find them
everywhere *independent of their nation* I think. The worst
such issue happened to me when I was in Poland with my class
in autumn, where we ate in a restaurant and had to pay 10
Zl. extra each just because we were tourists as it seemed - heck,
that's almost 3 Euros. We didn't understand the waitress
since she refused English, German and French ("Njet Angelski,
njet Nemecki, njet Francki" or something) and also the
receipt was somewhat obscure. A pity that I threw it away.
How much tip did they expect -- from students, obviously?!
Carsten
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:07:34 -0500
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:57:27 -0500, Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I don't know why the particular value for 1¤ was picked,
It tends to be pretty close to the value of the US dollar (though they're
not especially close right now). I'm sure that's no accident.
Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:06:03 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: coins (Was: Types of numerals)
Hi!
Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>...
> I usually make all bigger purchases (5+) with a debit card.
Mind the surveillance! Only cash is anonymous! (Currently, that is,
*they* are working at it.)
Heewwwwww,
**Henrik
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:26:57 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coins and currency
Quoting R A Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://europa.eu.int/euro
>
> Among its pages you will discover this:
> {quote}
> Spelling of the words âeuroâ and âcentâ in the official Community
> languages - to be used when drawing up Community Legislative acts
>
> expressed as an amount ********* with definite article
> language one unit several units singular plural
> DA 1 euro 100 euro euroen euroene
> 1 cent 100 cent centen centene
>
> DE 1 Euro 100 Euro der Euro die Euro
> 1 Cent 100 Cent der Cent die Cent
>
> EL 1 εÏ
ÏÏ 100 εÏ
ÏÏ Ïο εÏ
ÏÏ Ïα
> εÏ
ÏÏ
> 1 λεÏÏÏ 100 λεÏÏά Ïο λεÏÏÏ Ïα
> λεÏÏά
>
> EN 1 euro 100 euro (1) the euro the euro (1)
> 1 cent 100 cent (1) the cent the cent (1)
>
> ES 1 euro 100 euros el euro los euros
> 1 cent 100 cents el cent los cents
>
> FR 1 euro 100 euros l'euro les euros
> 1 cent 100 cents le cent les cents
>
> IT 1 euro 100 euro l'euro gli euro
> 1 cent 100 cent il cent i cent
>
> NL 1 euro 100 euro de euro de euro's
> 1 cent 100 cent de cent de centen
>
> PT 1 euro 100 euros o euro os euros
> 1 cent 100 cents o cent os cents
>
> FI 1 euro 100 euroa (2) euro eurot
> 1 sentti 100 senttiä (2) sentti sentit
>
> SV 1 euro 100 euro euron (3) eurorna (3)
> 1 cent 100 cent centen centen
> ____________________________
> (1) This spelling without an "s" may be seen as departing from usual
> English practice for currencies.
> (2) The form used is the singular partitive form.
> (3) Used for references to "the currency" or coins.
>From some googling, _eurorna_ indeed appears to be the offical definite plural
form in Swedish, but common is also _eurona_, which is prefered by some
authorities (assuming writing a newspaper column on language use makes you an
authority).
Personally, I find the form _eurorna_ cringe-inducing.
Andreas
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:30:15 +0200
From: John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound changes causing divergence of ordinals from cardinals
>From: Peter Bleackley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>(5) Final e is lost, and final e: is shortened.
(6) In glide-vowel-glide-vowel environments, the one closer to stress
dissimilates: /j w/ -> /Z G/ - unless the stress is on an initial schwa;
then the stress moves to the 2nd one, which then shifts instead.
/'H@/ from former /'u:/ produces /ZQ/.
Value Cardinal Ordinal
1 j@'GQ i'we
2 'nero na'ru
3 'mjo: mi'u
4 'to: 'to:
5 'kin 'kink
6 'jesu ja'swe
7 '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Si'gwe
8 'dZuz2 Zo'zy
9 hj@'Za hi'je
10 'neo na'u
11 'hero ha'ru
12 'utsu ot'swe
13 nao'm'Ho: naomy'u
20 naro'no: naro'no:
21 naronQ'ZQwQ naronQy'we
22 narono:'noro narono:nQ'ru
30 mio'no: mionu:
31 naro'no:ro narono:'ru
32 naro'no:tsu narono:'tswe
33 miono:'mjo: miono:mi'u
100 'tSifu Sepwe
1000 'wegor wa'gurk
10000 Sun'tSyfu tSuntS2'pwe
>We seem to have achieved complete irregularity of the ordinals by now, but
>they're still recognisable cognates of the cardinals. I do quite like the
>fact that two ordinals have become indistinguishable from their cardinals.
>
>Pete
Also, larger numbers seem to now feature a "compounding" stem of the number
rather than either basic form, with the ordinal or cardinal of the last
decimal finally added. These stems appear to be almost exactly as in the
beginning (eg. 58th: ken-nao-Zo'zy)
John Vertical
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